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Realistically, for what is shown it is not stupid to say ssb Goku (rematch with jiren)>=/> uio1Grand Marshal 1 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 12:37 pmLet us say, the same Blue Goku that fought Anilaza. Also, only SSJ3?! Do you think that Goku got that strong in the ToP? I always had it around 20 times for him and Vegeta. Their SSJBs from the end of the tournament, being equal to their maximum power from the beggining (in this case Goku's KK×20 as Vegeta wasn't using a form yet and Evolved Blue was initially as strong as KK×20 prior becoming a much stronger form, in my opinion).p-hyvo wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 12:29 pmIs that early ToP Goku? This would be a tie. speaking about Goku (rematch with jiren) he would only need ssj3 to beat anilazaGrand Marshal 1 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:35 am We all acknowledge Anilaza's great power, but do you guys think that he is kinda underrated for an opponent? Is it because his battle was shadowed by the expectations that everyone had for U11 v U7 ?
Anyway, here is a small debate which might be an easy one to decide on.
Anilaza (2nd Form) vs Goku (SSJB KK×5)
Yeah, which is also respected, but stupid, to say that Goku and Vegeta didn't get any stronger in the ToP. However, not very after, Jiren has somewhat powered-down (evident by Vegeta's question on why he was stronger and faster when he challenged Goku, referring probably to his initial fight with UIO) and even so wrecked both individuals in Blue.p-hyvo wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:26 pmRealistically, for what is shown it is not stupid to say ssb Goku (rematch with jiren)>=/> uio1Grand Marshal 1 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 12:37 pmLet us say, the same Blue Goku that fought Anilaza. Also, only SSJ3?! Do you think that Goku got that strong in the ToP? I always had it around 20 times for him and Vegeta. Their SSJBs from the end of the tournament, being equal to their maximum power from the beggining (in this case Goku's KK×20 as Vegeta wasn't using a form yet and Evolved Blue was initially as strong as KK×20 prior becoming a much stronger form, in my opinion).
If you think of it , Goku was shown to be a lot stronger, competing with Jiren better than ever only in ssb
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.
Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.
Jiren,ssj Broly, god Toppo, base vegetto, ssj2 vegeta, tgfruler9871 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 1:27 pm MUI Black (Scythe) vs Awakened Jiren
SSJ2 Enraged Kefla vs SSJ1 Broly (DBS, not full power)
Spirit Sword Trunks vs GoD Toppo
Base Vegito (DBS Broly) vs Aniraza
SSG Goku (DBS Broly) vs SSB Copy-Vegeta
SSJ2 Vegeta (DBS Broly) vs SSJ1 Kale, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ2 Caulifla
True Golden Freeza (DBS Broly) vs A17 (ToP) & Full Speed Dsypo
Sidra.Melee_Sovereign wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:35 pm Toppo vs Sidra
Kefla vs Broly
Kefla (base) vs Fusion Zamasu
Magetta vs Narirama
Buu vs Botamo
Buu vs Maji Kayo
Buu vs Arale
SSJ Trunks (DBS) vs SSJ Cabba
Mean Launch vs Cheelai
Mean Launch vs Chi Chi
Mean Launch vs Mai (DBS)
Cheelai vs Mai (DBS)
Jaco vs entire Red Ribbon Army (not including Tao)
10,000 Saibamen vs 1 Cell Jr.
Hypothetical Super Perfect Cell who trains for 4 month, achives Golden Form, SSB aura, and Ultra Instinct vs Jiren
Goten loses all of them in seconds.Sūpāsaiya wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:08 pm Goten Vs The World...
1.Goten (Base/Tournament Saga) Vs 100% Frieza (No Strain/Namek Saga)
2.Goten (SSj/Pre Tournament) Vs ASSj Vegeta (No Strain/Cell Games)
3.Goten (Base/Post Rosat) Vs Android 18 (Z)
4.Goten (Base/Tournament) Vs Android 18 (Z)
5.Goten (SSj/Post Rosat) Vs FPSSj Goku (Cell Games)
Rules...
Everyone is bloodlusted, that's about it...
Close but Black wins in the end.ruler9871 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 1:27 pm MUI Black (Scythe) vs Awakened Jiren
SSJ2 Enraged Kefla vs SSJ1 Broly (DBS, not full power)
Spirit Sword Trunks vs GoD Toppo
Base Vegito (DBS Broly) vs Aniraza
SSG Goku (DBS Broly) vs SSB Copy-Vegeta
SSJ2 Vegeta (DBS Broly) vs SSJ1 Kale, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ2 Caulifla
True Golden Freeza (DBS Broly) vs A17 (ToP) & Full Speed Dsypo
Freeza own the kid massivly. Base BoG Goku is weaker than 100% Freeza.Sūpāsaiya wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:08 pm Goten Vs The World...
1.Goten (Base/Tournament Saga) Vs 100% Frieza (No Strain/Namek Saga)
2.Goten (SSj/Pre Tournament) Vs ASSj Vegeta (No Strain/Cell Games)
3.Goten (Base/Post Rosat) Vs Android 18 (Z)
4.Goten (Base/Tournament) Vs Android 18 (Z)
5.Goten (SSj/Post Rosat) Vs FPSSj Goku (Cell Games)
Goten literally loses every single round.Sūpāsaiya wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:08 pm Goten Vs The World...
1.Goten (Base/Tournament Saga) Vs 100% Frieza (No Strain/Namek Saga)
2.Goten (SSj/Pre Tournament) Vs ASSj Vegeta (No Strain/Cell Games)
3.Goten (Base/Post Rosat) Vs Android 18 (Z)
4.Goten (Base/Tournament) Vs Android 18 (Z)
5.Goten (SSj/Post Rosat) Vs FPSSj Goku (Cell Games)
Rules...
Everyone is bloodlusted, that's about it...
My Thoughts...Spoiler:
Base Saiyans are weaker than Namek Freeza according to BoG.Goten (Base/Tournament Saga) Vs 100% Frieza (No Strain/Namek Saga)
1. Toppo.Melee_Sovereign wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:35 pm Toppo vs Sidra
Kefla vs Broly
Kefla (base) vs Fusion Zamasu
Magetta vs Narirama
Buu vs Botamo
Buu vs Maji Kayo
Buu vs Arale
SSJ Trunks (DBS) vs SSJ Cabba
Mean Launch vs Cheelai
Mean Launch vs Chi Chi
Mean Launch vs Mai (DBS)
Cheelai vs Mai (DBS)
Jaco vs entire Red Ribbon Army (not including Tao)
10,000 Saibamen vs 1 Cell Jr.
Hypothetical Super Perfect Cell who trains for 4 month, achives Golden Form, SSB aura, and Ultra Instinct vs Jiren
A golden/blue tier fighter already is better than Jiren so yeah. Cell. Even if it wears off Cell would be better at fighting wounded Jiren IMO.TobyS wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 10:44 am Toppo vs Sidra
God mode Toppo maaaaybe otherwise sidra.
He's the weakest god and you need UI or Jiren to beat any god but that statement was made before god toppo or Bluegeta appeared....
Kefla vs Broly
Manga Kefla loses, not sure on anime who needed omen to win. Maybe Beats base broly but loses to final.
Kefla (base) vs Fusion Zamasu
Kefla loses. Even if she was stronger she loses to immortality.
Magetta vs Narirama
Magetta is Mari doesn't know his weakness.
17 slapped the shit out of him in the anime, I can't remember him getting a better showing in the manga.
Buu vs Botamo
To the death? Buu can outlive him or throw him into a sun or magic him dead somehow. Maybe even absorb him.
Buu vs Maji Kayo
Anime Maji is implied to be real strong, can't remember his manga showing. Anime maji wins
Buu vs Arale
Gag powered Arale wins.
Feats is Buu by scaling.
SSJ Trunks (DBS) vs SSJ Cabba
Trunks in both continuities
Mean Launch vs Cheelai
Cheelai still got accepted in FF. Space tier is above earth teir.
Mean Launch vs Chi Chi
Chichi wrecks.
Mean Launch vs Mai (DBS)
Damn this is a close match, I'd say Lunch is more vicious than skilled, I'd say Mai is more accurate with guns. Not sure about h2h.
Cheelai vs Mai (DBS)
Cheelai
Jaco vs entire Red Ribbon Army (not including Tao)
Jaco from - era loses. People miss a scaling statement when Roshi says he wouldn't have the stamina to take out the whole army, so it'd take a post water Goku to do it. Jaco can only handle toddler Goku by his own admission.
10,000 Saibamen vs 1 Cell Jr.
10k is a really big number, either a combine chi blast if they can fire chi or Jr exhausts himself. Cell Jr can win with hit and run or destroy the planet and survive in space either way so cell Jr wins ultimately.
Hypothetical Super Perfect Cell who trains for 4 month, achives Golden Form, SSB aura, and Ultra Instinct vs Jiren
- Jiren.ruler9871 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 1:27 pm MUI Black (Scythe) vs Awakened Jiren
SSJ2 Enraged Kefla vs SSJ1 Broly (DBS, not full power)
Spirit Sword Trunks vs GoD Toppo
Base Vegito (DBS Broly) vs Aniraza
SSG Goku (DBS Broly) vs SSB Copy-Vegeta
SSJ2 Vegeta (DBS Broly) vs SSJ1 Kale, SSJ2 Cabba & SSJ2 Caulifla
True Golden Freeza (DBS Broly) vs A17 (ToP) & Full Speed Dsypo
That doesn't mean he can go gold though. He can't use super saiyan either and he has those genes.
Super Perfect Cell was his version of SSJ2Nokra wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:36 pmThat doesn't mean he can go gold though. He can't use super saiyan either and he has those genes.
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.
Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.
