Miracles wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:11 pm
wolflonnie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:00 am
Miracles wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:16 pm
I think you are doing what a lot of the fandom does concerning the anime. Trying to rationalize TOEI's randomness with headcanon that was never in the story [Which proves that TOEI's writing is bad in itself]. Whis stated Goku trying to overcome the energy of the Genki and failing as it went inside him caused UI. We see this theme carried on with Kefla, where Whis and Beerus state it was due to kefla's massive energy that rivaled the Spirit bomb awakening UI. Being KO'd was never the reason stated to separate thought from body in the anime.
The manga is the most consistent with the theme of UI since the past principles of Goku are the fundamentals to Whis teachings on UI. Goku simply has to train more in order to access and use it. Goku has to train his spirit in order to use UI.
I don't think there's any headcanoning there and I agree with @Koitsukai.
The anime's intent is having Goku is a very dire situation and being almost defeated, thus his thoughts and efforts almost depleted. So he breaks his limits and by almost accident achieves UI. But he can't access it later because he can't replicate the dire situation/sensation he had. Makes sense.
The manga makes it look like he should, definitely, activate it again after a bit of training after the ToP.
There's no excuse.
This is no headcanon. Headcanon is when you fill the gaps in a way that is
not within the author's intentions. But the intention, in the anime, is clearly there honestly. Writing doesn't require that you need to write, word for word, what is going on. Viewers can deduce that to an extend. Heck that would be considered bad writing, spoonfeeding.
You guys threat Toei as some incompetent clowns when they are not such thing.
If TOEI wasn't incompetent you too wouldn't need to headcanon for them about UI's random appearance which were clearly stated to be about huge energy awakening the form. You and Koitsukai don't agree with TOEI cause they didn't say the same things you two are trying to claim therefore you are trying to assume their intent which is headcanon.
The manga doesn't make it look like he should of activated again because it was repeatedly stated Goku needs to train. He still has to train the spirit in order to sever thought from body. Toyotaro actually used canon principles for Goku to think back on but he still has to continue train and master said principles to attain UI.
No, because I am not saying anything the show didn't say, besides if there is any headcanon it is Whis's, he explains the genki dama isn't the main point, it served as the force he needed to resist, the shell he needed to break in order to go beyond. Whis said that, so how come is my headcanon?
This happens too with mothers when their offspring is in danger, they can lift a car. His body acted as a mother, Goku was the kid, the car being the genki dama, and UI what lifts car. And it happened facing the strongest character the franchise had to offer, what's so random about that? If the car fell from the sky then yes, it would be random, but Goku threw the car and it got thrown right back at him.
Actually, headcanon to me would be to pretend it is all random and non-sense even though it can be easily expained. And it was, by Whis. Headcanon would be saying (before BoG +Super) SS4 Goku is the real LSSJ, or that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, however, jokes aside, pointing out the blatant homosexuality in Top Gun isn't, because it doesn't change the story and justifies several decisions the characters made, or whether Inception's ending was a dream or not BASED on previous scenes.
I'm just objectively connecting the dots, this is what actors do when analyzing a play and that's not re-writing nor accomodating it to one's needs. Except books, every other medium gives you the liberty to join and fill in the gaps to MEET the criteria the author is proposing, as long as you don't add stuff that was not there and contradict the story(and I haven't). In Fight Club it is not stated, but by Norton's actions after shooting himself in the mouth you can clearly tell he merged with Tyler Durden and he is no longer Tyler nor his former self: he is both.
This is a problem I see in the fandom and I've seen it in this forum a lot, cases like "X was never stated weaker than Y, therefore X isn't weaker because it was never openly stated", but if they'd use some intuiton or the infamous "headcanon" simple stuff like that wouldn't have to be discussed. People are afraid to go as far as thinking outside of what the show explicitly stated because HEADCANON.
A level that not even a god can easily attain. One medium got there "cheating" through genki dama, the other one got there through some sort of yoga.
Manga Goku didn't have to break his shell in order to go UI, so there is nothing preventing him to do it again tomorrow afternoon, specially after his first attempts were so great. Yeah, he needs to train more like every other character in every other show in order to achieve anything.
Anime Goku DID have to break his shell, so it is expected for him to not attain UI any time soon.
What IS random of all of this is Toriyama's decision to give Goku a new undeserved power up and then take it away because it's not time yet. But nobody will ever blame Toriyama when they can blame it on Toei and the Anime.