"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[GodVegetto91]

Let it be known that Goku has never beaten Beerus Nor Jiren

SSG lost to Beerus
Ultra Instinct Omen and "Mastered" Lost to Jiren

and it's already been hinted that Goku will face off against Jiren again soon

He DID beat Jiren. Stop lying.

[wolflonnie]

Yup. He just didn't knock Jiren out of the ring. That's it.

[Dragon Wukong]

Let it be known that Goku has never beaten Beerus Nor Jiren

SSG lost to Beerus
Ultra Instinct Omen and "Mastered" Lost to Jiren

and it's already been hinted that Goku will face off against Jiren again soon

He DID beat Jiren. Stop lying.

Manga Goku outright lost to Jiren 1v1.

[Rebel_Yeh]

Let it be known that Goku has never beaten Beerus Nor Jiren

SSG lost to Beerus
Ultra Instinct Omen and "Mastered" Lost to Jiren

and it's already been hinted that Goku will face off against Jiren again soon

He DID beat Jiren. Stop lying.

Manga Goku outright lost to Jiren 1v1.

That’s only in the manga version. In the true version, he beat Jiren with the assistance of Krillin encouraging him to get up and continue the fight.

[TKA]

What terrible, uninspired bait.

And heaven forbid the main character lose. It’s almost like the teamwork aspect of the tournament was a huge part of it in the manga. It’s almost like Goku not being able to overpower Jiren was a plot point. It’s almost like the manga is internally consistent instead of going for visual bombast over anything else.

[Alruneia]

That’s only in the manga version. In the true version

Are you making holy stew? You're certainly stirring the hell out of the pot.
One-liners aside, you went into the manga thread and replied to a post that specifically said "Manga Goku." I'm sure you aren't, but don't be surprised if nobody here takes your out-of-nowhere anime-centric reply seriously.

[Rakurai]

In the true version, he beat Jiren with the assistance of Krillin encouraging him to get up and continue the fight.

You're fighting a losing battle here. Nobody not even the DB companies themselves believe in that perspective anymore.

[Noitsnothim]

Let it be known that Goku has never beaten Beerus Nor Jiren

SSG lost to Beerus
Ultra Instinct Omen and "Mastered" Lost to Jiren

and it's already been hinted that Goku will face off against Jiren again soon

He DID beat Jiren. Stop lying.

When did he beat Jiren?
he never beat him he lost to him Numerous times in the manga
If you're talking about the anime's portrayal then state otherwise

[Saiga]

Anime Goku never beat Jiren, despite Kuririn being made a mouthpiece for the writers to insist otherwise.

He fought Jiren in UI, had him on the ropes... and dropped out of UI before he could finish him off. Jiren was still capable of fighting, and went on to fight Goku, 17 and Freeza after that.

He didn't lose by tournament rules, or by any reasonable definition. He thought himself lost, but the fight resumed once it was clear that he wasn't beaten.

Kuririn's insistence that Goku had won was just a blatant attempt to make out that all the hype the anime and promotional material invested into UI paid off. It was pretty obvious that UI Goku was going to fail (and thus the hype bubble to burst) especially when the anime already did the exact same thing with UI Omen Goku Vs Jiren.

[RandomGuy96]

Saying Goku won that fight is kind of like saying that he beat Vegeta in the Saiyan arc because he managed to smack Veggie around with KK x3 for a while. Please ignore the part where Goku destroyed his own body in a failed attempt to incapacitate his opponent and ended up at said opponent's mercy. Also ignore the part where Goku was literal seconds away from death and had to be saved by two outside actors.

Actually, if you call the fight ever time Goku has to be saved by a teammate from getting ringed-out, Goku lost to Jiren four times in the manga (and I think as many times in the anime?).

[Liquir]

Upcoming Vjump issue cover:

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[Xeogran]

Upcoming Vjump issue cover:

Spoiler:

Moro looks amazing! The wild colors completely make up for his lack of beard.

[TKA]

Am I the crazy one or is there something really uncanny valley about Vegeta's left arm there

[Dbzfan94]

Am I the crazy one or is there something really uncanny valley about Vegeta's left arm there

Nope not just you, it looks pretty bad.

[Trouser]

Am I the crazy one or is there something really uncanny valley about Vegeta's left arm there

Quasimodo! Yeah, he looks bad.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Am I the crazy one or is there something really uncanny valley about Vegeta's left arm there

Quasimodo! Yeah, he looks bad.

Hahaha ha I was gonna say that

[Miracles]

lol yeah, that Vegeta muscle disparity.

At least Moro is ready to bite someone!

[batistabus]

I like the cover quite a bit overall despite the issues.

I've heard people complain about the color scheme. I remember reading an interview where Toriyama complained about the bright colors of the anime while saying he'd prefer a more subdued color scheme. I don't remember the interview, so don't quote me on that. I think that's what Toyotaro was going for. How successful he was is up to you.

Regardless, Moro's pallet and shading totally clashes with the rest of the cover. He looks much better on his own:

Spoiler:

Re: purple pants~
I was just thinking the other day that just about every major villain from Super (aside from Jiren) has purple or bright green in their color scheme. I guess Moro does too.

As for Vegeta's arm...I think there's a chance it's a Photoshop issue to fit everything on the cover. It's likely that Toyotaro uses layers to draw multiple perspectives, so they might've just shifted the arm up to fit in the Dragon Quest bit. The shoulder might still be a bit large, though...

[jplaya2023]

so what are our expectations for this chapter?

i hope we get a moro/Freeza/beerus conversation and how they know each other

[Rakurai]

Upcoming Vjump issue cover:

Spoiler:

I dig the cover. Vegeta's left shoulder is literally fine, yes Toyotarou does sometime draw human anatomy in an odd manner but people are overreacting this time.