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by Grand Marshal 1 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:43 pm
So this took me quite a while, but I did some scaling in the Heroes Manga for the Dark Demon Realm Revival Mission up until Towa sealed Mechikaboola. Enjoy! Up until Chapter 11! Will cover Chapter 12 in the future!
Post Cell Saga FTrunks/XTrunks Base = 1
Chronoa = (below XTrunks' Base, but time abilities overwhelm vastly superior opponents. Perhaps someone 100 times (Mira went Super and broke Free while he couldn't move an inch previously, making Chronoa roughly 0.8×Base which is below XTrunks) stronger can destroy her Freeze technique, or with the use of magic (showcased by Towa)) = 0.8×Base
XBardock (Masked Saiyan/released) = 40×Base
XTrunks (SSJ) = 50×Base
Mira (Base) = 40×Base
Mira (Super) = 80×Base
Towa (Base) = 10×Base (rough estimate given how she has warriors for herself and with her magic being the real deal)
Disclaimer: this seems to be based off of post Cell Games power levels. As such, when Chronoa explains to XTrunks what the Demon Realm is, she says that she have heard of individuals leaving it before, with Dabura being seen. That's an image of Majin Dabura, so it is possible that Babidi (a sorcerer) kidnapped him from the Demon Realm. So by the logic of SSJ Gohan (pre training) being less strong than his Cell Games SSJ, with him at the time being equal to Goku (the rage boosts gave him the edge), then Majin Dabura is at that level too. And in the Cell Games, Gohan should be stronger than FTrunks. It fits perfectly with Dabura being at the level of Cell Games SSJ Goku, a match for Perfect Cell. He also has some hacks and abilities though that may give him the edge, so Majin Dabura in this scaling should be a 100×Base. So:
Dabura (Majin) = 100×Base
Dabura (Base) = 50×Base (still stronger than Mira and XBardock, essentially the strongest out the three, including a SSJ XTrunks).
Half a year passes for the Saiyans and XGoku trains with XTrunks (only 3 days irl). The initial gap is unknown, but it may be the one from the Cell Games, since Trunks' had that Goku as the strongest fighter in his memories.
First mission is on Namek, where 50% Final Freeza merged with a Dark Dragon Ball, overwhelms the likes of SSJ Goku. Even his 100% was unable of this, so he must be at least twice as strong than SSJ Goku, or 5×50% Final. Base XTrunks is unable to even faze him, but Base XGoku kicks him hard enough to send him flying. XGoku's Base is comparable to SSJ Namek Goku, seeing that he couldn't deal huge damage to Freeza but when he charged a KHH along with his other self and fired it, Freeza went 100%.
XGoku (Base) = SSJ Namek Goku
XTrunks (Base) = 50% XGoku?
XFreeza (50% Final) = 5×50% Final Freeza
(100% Final FP) = 5×100% Final Freeza
Mira and Towa arrive to get the DDB. XTrunks obliterates Mira, both in Base. So, XTrunks must have gotten 40×times stronger while training with Goku and perhaps he gained half the increase, seeing how his Base is supposed to be superior already by the time they met.
XTrunks (post training) = 40×XTrunks
XGoku (post training) = 20×XGoku
So original XGoku is 4× original XTrunks
Towa = 0.25× XTrunks
Mechikaboola is clearly the top dog even in his elder state. He can make 1st Form Demon Gods with his power. So compared to God Towa, he has to be above her. It isn't a question of loyalty, but rather power.
In the next chapter Vegeta joins the battle. But in order for this to work out properly, Chronoa must have summoned a Buu saga Vegeta, as his Cell Games self wouldn't be as strong to fight back the likes of an empowered Perfect Cell. However a problem arises. The Dark DBs don't seem to provide the same power increase to all the beings that they empower. Or else a P Cell 5 times stronger than the original being taken care of by a Base Vegeta who can only be from as late as the early Buu saga, it won't make sense. So, Cell (according to Vegeta) got a bit stronger. Less than 2 times that said. Something of the scale between 1.1× or 1.2× is enough for him to still dominate everyone in the Cell Games, but also enough for Vegeta's growth to seem believable in comparison to XTrunks and XGoku. So P XCell should be roughly 60× a hypothetical Base Vegeta that has Grade 4 and can fight with him on par. But of course the manga cannot explain everything to us, so we shall theorize that Vegeta stands at a 60 times superior level than his Cell Saga level, which is massive, but XGoku and XTrunks also trained for similar results. He has to be relevant with the power scale after all.
XVegeta = 60× Cell Games Vegeta (the one who should be in the exact same scale as initial XGoku and XTrunks), he should also be roughly equivalent to XGoku
Gravy one shots XVegeta as a Demon God. We can't be sure of his strength before turning into one though. Same for Towa and Putine. XTrunks believes that Potara Fusion is the best solution. Imo, Potara and the Dance offer a boost of being roughly 150 times stronger than each individual fusee (usually the wekawe one). And XVegeks one shots Gravy. For him to be toyed like this, one can assume that a 2 times superiority for XVegeks is enough. That would place him at a 75×XTrunks. But compared to Goku and Vegeta, SSJ would suffice. Despite that, we can assume that Gravy was roughly like Mira or XBardock before going God. As for Cell X or Monster XCell, he should be in the same scale as XVegeks. Taking him down occasionally and dealing heavy blows to God Gravy. Besides, Putine wasn't in control due to him being vastly stronger, so it makes sense. In the end the combined attack of XVegeks and God Gravy annihilates Cell.
Gravy (Base) = XTrunks (post training) or 40×XTrunks (pre training)
Gravy (Demon God) = 75×XTrunks
A summarization (post training):
Chronoa = 0.02×XTrunks
Putine = Towa = 0.25×XTrunks
Gravy = XBardock = Mira = XTrunks
Perfect XCell = 1.15×XTrunks
-Enhanced with Dark Energy = 115×XTrunks
XVegeta = XGoku = 2×XTrunks
Majin Dabura = 2.5×XTrunks
-Base = 1.25×XTrunks
XFreeza = 4×XTrunks
-100% = 8×XTrunks
Goddesses Putine/Towa = 20×XTrunks
God Gravy = 75×XTrunks
XVegeks = 150×XTrunks+
Elsewhere, XGoku faces off against XKid Buu. Seeing how this Goku is 20 times stronger than his Cell Games counterpart, he may be able to out a fight with the Majin. He would require SSJ to do so which is also why he can't finish off a superior XKid Buu. He has a Dark DB inside of him. And he is pummeling XGoku. So, even if Base XGoku could fight seriously the Majin before, now with the Dark DB he can't. A power increase of 1.1× times is enough. So:
Kid Buu = 50×XGoku/XVegeta
XKid Buu = 1.2×Kid Buu or 60×XGoku/XVegeta
Then, Dabura comes into play. He is absolutely unscathed of Goku's attacks and the Majin is made of sort work, with him pitying the being for killing an alternate version of himself. But this isn't Majin Dabura, this is God Dabura. But, it would make sense for a "non-Majin" Dabura of the Buu saga to be equal to a "Base" XDabura. That would allow him to get the 75×Base (reffering to Dabura's Base) multiplier for the Demon God and still be superior to the rest Demon Gods and Xenos.
XDabura = Buu saga "Base Dabura" = 1.25×XTrunks
God XDabura = roughly 90×XTrunks (93×)
Buu absorbing Dabura would be an addition of their powers. He also still has the Dark DB infused with him, which results in:
Demon God XBuu = 150×XTrunks
Which is why SSJ XTrunks stands a chance when he tries to save XGoku from being killed. But then comes XVegito to save the day. Again, 150 times stronger than the fusees. But this time, it is a fusion of Goku and Vegeta, so he is much superior to Trunks. Nevertheless, the Majin isn't far behind in power and has amazing regeneration abilities to keep up with the warrior.
XVegito = 300×XTrunks
And then Chamel shows up and blocks one of XVegito's attacks which is intriguing. Not sure if he has Demon God or not. Anyway, he could be using his magic to negate the attack. In the next chapter he uses some technique, or something happens and he vanishes alongside with Buu.
Now, Mechikaboola decides to use his proxy of power against a warrior infused with a Dark DB. That would be XKing Vegeta, or Dark Masked King. He is facing off against XTrules who has a Dark DB. But no info is known about them. We don't know what's King Vegeta's state to determine his boost from the Mask although Turtles should be at his standard level from the movie and then infused with the DB which provides an unknown boost. XKing Vegeta dominates the fight, but XTurles eats a fruit from the Tree of Might, perhaps for the known boost of 15×times. Now, XKing Vegeta is pretty much unable to do much. Their initial power difference shouldn't be large enough to begin with. Salsa goes up against XTurles. After the fight, Turtles has blocked and counterattacked effectively most of Salsa's offensive strikes. And then he exclaims that XTurles may rival the Demon Gods. Basically, I will give Salsa the same power as Gravy.
Salsa = XTrunks
God Salsa = 75×XTrunks
XTurles (Base w/out Dark DB) = 2×XTrunks
-w/Dark DB = 6×XTrunks
-Fruit of the Tree of Might Consumed = 90×XTrunks
XKing Vegeta/Dark Masked King = 2×XTurles w/Dark DB = 12×XTrunks
Mechikaboola obliterates XTurles with all his power-ups with a mere blast, in his elder state. We don't know for sure how much stronger he is, but I doubt that he is less than 10 times stronger. Anyway, Chamel is back in the game and needs the help of the TP for something in Hell. There, Towa kills Goku from Fusion Reborn (he is in Base, but it is possible that he was using SSJ3 prior since Janemba is in his Super Form, unless if this is post their fight and he was weakend immensely). We are also introduced to Shroom who summons a powerful being known as a Reaper to pin Janemba down but fails and is killed. He did seem to do fairly well though, perhaps similarly to SSJ2 Vegeta from that time, which would translate to 50%SSJ of the Xenos (Goku and Vegeta).
Reaper = 50×XTrunks
Janemba (Super) = 125×XTrunks
-w/Dark DB = 1.2×Janemba (Super) = 150×XTrunks
XJanemba (Reaper Absorbed/Enhanced with Dark Energy) = 200×XTrunks
But Shroom seems to be in control of the fight by using superior skill and taking advantage of Janemba's attacks. So, he should be one of the more powerful Demon Gods.
Shroom = 2×XTrunks = XGoku/XVegeta
God Shroom = 150×XTrunks
When Chamel, XGoku and XVegeta arrive, Chamel is very confident in taking Towa head on. He does so and the two seem evenly matched, although I might give Chamel a light edge for escaping Towa and charging towards Shroom. As for Shroom, not only is he powerful in his own right, but he also sucks the energy out of the Saiyans weakening them and truly defeating them. He even pushes back Chamel quite easily. At the same moment, God Buu arrives and absorbs the remains of Janemba, while also taking a second Dark DB with him.
Chamel (Demon God?) = 30×XTrunks
God Buu (Janemba absorbed) = 350×XTrunks
XGogeta = 300×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan = 50×Base
(weakens as time progresses. Reaches Base levels of strength even as a Super Saiyan at his lowest, exchanging blows with Shroom)
Next up we get to see Towa arriving in a new battlefield alongside Buu, Chamel and XGohan with XTrunks. Lord Slug has one of the balls. In his Giant Form and in his Prime, he is capable of rivaling someone like 2nd form Freeza (most fans say so). With the Dark DB inside him, he has gained a considerable increase in power (perhaps the less strong you are, the greater the boost). A times 10 boost seems logical, since everyone has Base levels above those in the Cell Games. When empowered he covers up the gap in bases and forces XGohan to think that Fusion is the only option. This implies a massive growth in power and that's WHAT I will give to Slug. It did happen with Cell too after all. But he will be a tad weaker than Cell due to him being already below him in power and requiring a less powerful fusion.
Lord Slug (Giant Form) = 2nd Form Freeza = 0.03×XTrunks
-w/Dark DB = 10×Giant Form = 0.3×XTrunks
-Enhanced with Dark Energy = 100×XTrunks
Gohanks = 150×XTrunks
XGohan = 1.15×XTrunks
Seeing how Salsa performed against Buu and Slug with his special technique I will give him a small power up since he awakened some of that true demon God power within him. Of course it was his attack that did most of the work of cutting through Buu to separate Dabura and the DBs, with Slug being found in the middle.
Salsa = 1.2×XTrunks
-God Salsa = 90×XTrunks
Meanwhile, with all the Dark DBs collected but one, Mechikaboola has a plan and in Hell, Super XGogeta fought with Shroom. Shroom pushed him back for a considerable amount of time, although he does drain the Ki of his enemies weakening them, which is the only explanation as to how he wasn't eliminated by Super XGogeta instantly. I mean, he pretty much negated the entire meaning of going Super Saiyan by absorbing energy perhaps. Because apparently, Vegeta was sure that he could fight the Demon by his own, without the need for fusion.
Now things go crazy. Like really crazy. Broly is the remaining enemy with a Dark DB and Mechikaboola wants to brainwash him. It seems that he kinda knows that it's impossible, but I am sure that his objective is to indirectly punish Towa for a number of things. Despite her best efforts and even the assistance of XParagus, she is unable to contain SSJ4 XBroly. His Base should be superior to the Xenos, his SSJ4 vastly stronger and his enhancement from the Dark DB a minor one. Of course no one can keep up to him. Towa is wrecked very hard and reverts to Base. But Mira appears in front of her. I think that he has obtained a boost in power since all this dark energy enhancing that went on. And I will power up Towa from her battles a little too. I assume that Mira got a times 10 boost while fusing via the dark energy and Towa got as powerful, multiplying their powers to produce someone who could rival Broly. Also, since Mevhikabool states that Goku, Broly and Mira are practically near in terms of power, I think that XGoku has received a minor boost in power too, essentially becoming equal to Base XBroly. In the end they pretty much Ko each other simultaneously and the final Dark DB is taken,with Mira defusing, Goku being down and Broly too.
XBroly (Base) = 3×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 4 = 4,000×Base
-w/Dark DB absorbed = 1.1×SSJ4
Towa (Base) = XTrunks
Mira (Base) = 15×XTrunks
XGoku = 3×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 4 = 4,000×Base
Mira (Towa absorbed) = XBroly (FP) = 13,000-12,000×XTrunks ≈ XGoku (SSJ4)
Then, XKing Vegeta goes after XParagus who is pretty much toyed with, until XBardock arrives. Last time he was nearly equal to SSJ XTrunks but times have changed and the power granted to him by the mask once has left him, leaving him waaay below that level. So, in order for this to work, he needs to be weakened significantly, not to think that he had actually gotten stronger. He goes SSJ3 once he unlocks extra power from his mask and the form itself I assume, taking down the Dark Masked King easily, implying that he is at least as strong, or else he would have obliterated him in seconds, with XKing Vegeta being 12×XTrunks. But since he can rival XBardock, I will power him up (also it might be a real power up since Mechikaboola was trying to understand how to empower his Masked king with Dark Energy before).
XBardock (Base) = 0.05×XTrunks
-w/Mask = 0.06×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 3 = 24×XTrunks
XKing Vegeta/Dark Masked King = 18×XTrunks
Later on, Mechikaboola is to execute his final plan, while XGoku escapes the Demon Realm and rendezvous with XVegeta in Hell, who has some hard time against Shroom and for a good reason. But Chronoa brought Goten as well in the crew and he fused with XTrunks to form XGotenks. The 2 should be exactly on par and a good match for Shroom. However, he is ordered back to the Demon Realm where the ceremony to turn Mechikaboola back to his Prime by the evil eternal dragon Shenron has begun. Thus the Time Patrol attacks. Everyone clears a path fro Chronoa to get to Mechikaboola, while Vegeta goes SSJ4 and decides to fuse with XGoku. XGogeta SSJ4 is born. His power unrivaled. XVegeta is equal to XGoku, thus received a boost in Base too. XGoten and XGohan go SSJ to rival the opposing Demon Gods. XTrunks even goes SSJ3 for 10 seconds to open a path for Chronoa. She forms the time labyrinth with her power from the Released form of hers, trapping Mechikaboola with her while teleporting back to the time nest the Time Patrol.
XVegeta = XGoku = 3×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 4 = 4,000×Base
XGogeta = 450×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 4 = 150×SSJ4 XGoku/XVegeta or 180,000×XTrunks
XGohan (Super Saiyan) = roughly 60×XTrunks
XGoten (Super Saiyan) = 50×XTrunks
XTrunks (Super Saiyan 3) = 400×XTrunks
Final Vedrict:
Pre-training
Chronoa = 0.8×Base
Post Cell Saga FTrunks/XTrunks = 1×Base
-SSJ = 50×Base
XGoku = 4×Base
Towa (Base) = 10×Base
XBardock (Masked Saiyan/released) = 40×Base
Mira (Base) = 40×Base
-Super = 80×Base
Dabura (Base) = 50×Base
-Majin = 100×Base
Post-training
XFreeza (50% Final) = 5×50% Final Freeza
-100% Final FP = 5×100% Final Freeza
XTrunks (post training) = 40×XTrunks
XGoku (post training) = 20×XGoku or 80×XTrunks
Chronoa = 0.02×XTrunks
Putine = Towa = 0.25×XTrunks
Gravy = XBardock = Mira = XTrunks
Perfect XCell = 1.15×XTrunks
-Enhanced with Dark Energy = 115×XTrunks
XVegeta = XGoku = 2×XTrunks
Majin Dabura = 2.5×XTrunks
-Base = 1.25×XTrunks
XFreeza = 4×XTrunks
-100% = 8×XTrunks
Goddesses Putine/Towa = 20×XTrunks
God Gravy = 75×XTrunks
XVegeks = 150×XTrunks
Kid Buu = 50×XGoku/XVegeta
XKid Buu = 1.2×Kid Buu or 60×XGoku/XVegeta
XDabura = Buu saga "Base Dabura" = 1.25×XTrunks
God XDabura = roughly 90×XTrunks
Demon God XBuu = 150×XTrunks
XVegito = 300×XTrunks
Salsa = XTrunks
God Salsa = 75×XTrunks
XTurles (Base w/out Dark DB) = 2×XTrunks
-w/Dark DB = 6×XTrunks
-Fruit of the Tree of Might Consumed = 90×XTrunks
XKing Vegeta/Dark Masked King = 2×XTurles w/Dark DB = 12×XTrunks
Reaper = 50×XTrunks
Janemba (Super) = 125×XTrunks
-w/Dark DB = 1.2×Janemba (Super) = 150×XTrunks
XJanemba (Reaper Absorbed/Enhanced with Dark Energy) = 200×XTrunks
Shroom = 2×XTrunks = XGoku/XVegeta
God Shroom = 150×XTrunks
Chamel = 0.4×XTrunks
God Chamel = 30×XTrunks
God Buu (Janemba absorbed) = 350×XTrunks
XGogeta = 300×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan = 50×Base
Lord Slug (Giant Form) = 2nd Form Freeza = 0.03×XTrunks
-w/Dark DB = 10×Giant Form = 0.3×XTrunks
-Enhanced with Dark Energy = 100×XTrunks
Gohanks = 150×XTrunks
XGohan = 1.15×XTrunks
Post-powerups
Salsa = 1.2×XTrunks
-God Salsa = 90×XTrunks
XBroly (Base) = 3×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 4 = 4,000×Base
--w/Dark DB absorbed = 1.1×SSJ4
Towa (Base) = XTrunks
Mira (Base) = 15×XTrunks
XGoku = 3×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 4 = 4,000×Base
Mira (Towa absorbed) = XBroly (FP) = 13,000-12,000×XTrunks ≈ XGoku (SSJ4)
XBardock (Base) = 0.05×XTrunks
-w/Mask = 0.06×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 3 = 24×XTrunks
XKing Vegeta/Dark Masked King = 18×XTrunks
XVegeta = XGoku = 3×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 4 = 4,000×Base
XGogeta = 450×XTrunks
-Super Saiyan 4 = 150×SSJ4 XGoku/XVegeta or 180,000×XTrunks
XGohan (Super Saiyan) = roughly 60×XTrunks
XGoten (Super Saiyan) = 50×XTrunks
XTrunks (Super Saiyan 3) = 400×XTrunks
Chronoa (Power of Time Unleashed) = ?
Mechikaboola (Youth restored) = ?
Demigra (God) = ?
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