Realization about DBS Broly's Super Saiyan form..

[Hulk10]

I realize that since Broly didn't transform into a Super Saiyan when he went berserk it seems that his Super Saiyan form is unlikely to be unlocked by anger. Though its possible.

[nato25]

Didn't his anger toward Paragus being killed lead to him turning into SSJ1?

[Koitsukai]

I don't think his so-called Ikari form is fueled by anger, he is a great ape in the body of a human. How does he turn Ikari, like where does he tap into for that power isn't really clear but I don't think it has to do with being angry

[Hulk10]

Didn't his anger toward Paragus being killed lead to him turning into SSJ1?

The creators claimed Broly's form was accessed by intense sorrow. So there must have been a lot of sorrow but I do also think anger played a big role.

I don't think his so-called Ikari form is fueled by anger, he is a great ape in the body of a human. How does he turn Ikari, like where does he tap into for that power isn't really clear but I don't think it has to do with being angry

I would love to know how he transforms too. But maybe anger has a role in it.

[Hugo Boss]

Broli has an abnormal level of anger. You can’t really compare him with the other Saiyans. The grief he felt when his father was killed probably affected even more his already twisted mind, which from his perspective is the breakpoint to become a Super Saiyan.

[Thani]

Yeah, I think Hugo is pretty much on point. All moments of Super Saiyan being unlocked also involved a lot of sorrow. Goku seeing Krillin die, Trunks finding Gohan's corpse, Vegeta believing he would never be a Super Saiyan. Hell, even Kale, believing she lost Caulifla's affection and that she would be forever a useless nobody, was in a lot of sorrow.

So I guess it has to be a cruel shock to the saiyan's emotions, after passing a certain threshold of power, that ignites the anger in them. A pracrical of this happening is using tragedy and sorrow to stimulate it.

[Hulk10]

Yeah, I think Hugo is pretty much on point. All moments of Super Saiyan being unlocked also involved a lot of sorrow. Goku seeing Krillin die, Trunks finding Gohan's corpse, Vegeta believing he would never be a Super Saiyan. Hell, even Kale, believing she lost Caulifla's affection and that she would be forever a useless nobody, was in a lot of sorrow.

So I guess it has to be a cruel shock to the saiyan's emotions, after passing a certain threshold of power, that ignites the anger in them. A pracrical of this happening is using tragedy and sorrow to stimulate it.

Yeah. I'm not entirely convinced that Broly has an abnormal level of anger. But he is unique, like Kale and all moments of Super Saiyan ascession with the exception of Caulifla have involved a mix of anger and sorrow.

But Hugo is on point with the grief Broly felt. But I don't think Broly's mind is twisted. But the grief he felt at his father's death definately did bring it out as Toriyama or Toyataro said that Broly's Super Saiyan form is unlocked by intense sorrow.

[Hugo Boss]

Broli is not what you would consider a mental-healthy character. He has good moments in his current version, but still he doesn’t act in a reasonable way when he fights. If his mind were sane, we wouldn’t see that dramatically altering his appearance.

[Hulk10]

Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane.

[Miracles]

Didn't his anger toward Paragus being killed lead to him turning into SSJ1?

Yes. That's why Freeza remembered how Goku became SSJ, after killing Krillin. He replicated the same scenario with Paragus and Broly.

[theherodjl]

Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane.

He's still insane, its just that he's not naturally homicidal or omnicidal like his classic counterpart was. Modern Broly has all the issues of growing up isolated without knowing how to properly form relationships with others, having to do what his dad said or else suffer physical/mental abuse, and living in feral squalor without even knowing what clean, purified water looks like. Broly was raised like an animal/pet by his lone companion of a father who was not all right in the head himself, its no wonder he'd still be a total basket case.

[Hulk10]

Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane.

He's still insane, its just that he's not naturally homicidal or omnicidal like his classic counterpart was. Modern Broly has all the issues of growing up isolated without knowing how to properly form relationships with others, having to do what his dad said or else suffer physical/mental abuse, and living in feral squalor without even knowing what clean, purified water looks like. Broly was raised like an animal/pet by his lone companion of a father who was not all right in the head himself, its no wonder he'd still be a total basket case.

He may have those issues but he is not completely insane. He has a good grip on reality. Truly insane individuals do not.

[ankokudaishogun]

Old Broly was insane.

Only starting from movie-10, and even then I would doubt it.

Movie-8 Broly was perfectly sane, just a gigantic bastard.

Movie-10 Broly was visibly working with reduced mental faculties.
But I'm unconvinced he was properly "insane", just brain-damaged.
His successive cameos in games kept him in this state, up to his latest appearance in DBHeroes were he's just a mindless berserker.


Broly:BR is perfectly sane as well. He doesn't show cognitive issues, at worst he only suffers of poor rage management which is likely mostly caused by nurture than nature.

That said, just being angry isn't enough to trigger Super Saiyan, one must be REALLY pissed off.
And Broly:BR's Wrath Form is less actual rage and more unleashing aggressiveness. Channelling his inner giant ape.

[Hulk10]

Old Broly was insane.

Only starting from movie-10, and even then I would doubt it.

Movie-8 Broly was perfectly sane, just a gigantic bastard.

Movie-10 Broly was visibly working with reduced mental faculties.
But I'm unconvinced he was properly "insane", just brain-damaged.
His successive cameos in games kept him in this state, up to his latest appearance in DBHeroes were he's just a mindless berserker.


Broly:BR is perfectly sane as well. He doesn't show cognitive issues, at worst he only suffers of poor rage management which is likely mostly caused by nurture than nature.

That said, just being angry isn't enough to trigger Super Saiyan, one must be REALLY pissed off.
And Broly:BR's Wrath Form is less actual rage and more unleashing aggressiveness. Channelling his inner giant ape.

I agree with you there but theherodjl doesn't.

[Mad Swami]

Slightly off topic but what is the power difference between ssj1 and full power super saiyan. Assuming Gogeta as an ssj1 was equal to ssj1 Broly, that means the full power form is relative to ssj blue. Obviously Gogeta as an ssj blue was his superior but still the fact he needed blue confuses me

[ankokudaishogun]

Slightly off topic but what is the power difference between ssj1 and full power super saiyan. Assuming Gogeta as an ssj1 was equal to ssj1 Broly, that means the full power form is relative to ssj blue. Obviously Gogeta as an ssj blue was his superior but still the fact he needed blue confuses me

Most likely Gogeta, too, doesn't bother with SS2-God if the opponent is stronger than SS1 and they aren't showing off.

Blue gives the user the perfect ki control to Hold Back™ as much as they want, while also giving them the option to power-up instantly all in a single transformation.

Full Power, i'd say, is probably "just" Grade-3

[Mad Swami]

Slightly off topic but what is the power difference between ssj1 and full power super saiyan. Assuming Gogeta as an ssj1 was equal to ssj1 Broly, that means the full power form is relative to ssj blue. Obviously Gogeta as an ssj blue was his superior but still the fact he needed blue confuses me

Most likely Gogeta, too, doesn't bother with SS2-God if the opponent is stronger than SS1 and they aren't showing off.

Blue gives the user the perfect ki control to Hold Back™ as much as they want, while also giving them the option to power-up instantly all in a single transformation.

Full Power, i'd say, is probably "just" Grade-3

Hmm that's a good point but apart of me thinks any other form except maybe ssj god wouldn't have done the trick due to how much Broly actually tanks ssj blue Gogeta's attacks. However that is a good point

[Surai]

Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane.

Both are insane since they have anger issues and get easily overwhelmed by them.
But DBS Broly is just a tortured soul with a pure heart, the 1993 one is a straight up psychopath.

[ankokudaishogun]

Hmm that's a good point but apart of me thinks any other form except maybe ssj god wouldn't have done the trick due to how much Broly actually tanks ssj blue Gogeta's attacks. However that is a good point

we don't know how good is SSGod at Holding Back™ compared to Blue, nor how much power Gogeta Blue was using.

Using Blue isn't that much energy intensive than God(in the anime, it never was, in the manga the issue was resolved with Complete Blue), so there is really no reason to use anything beside SS and Blue unless they are showing off.

And given they did see how fast Broly was growing while they showed off earlier, using Blue directly to stay on the safe side was the smart move.

[Hulk10]

Old Broly was insane. DBS Broly isn't insane.

Both are insane since they have anger issues and get easily overwhelmed by them.
But DBS Broly is just a tortured soul with a pure heart, the 1993 one is a straight up psychopath.

Having anger issues doesn't necessarily make you insane but popular view is that both Brolys are insane.