You know that is your headcanon, right?p-hyvo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:53 pmI knew about gohan, but the reason of that is the mystic form maxing him out. Not only zenkais, gohan couldn't count on rageboosts too in that fragment .Koitsukai wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:16 pmI can't help you with that Toriyama quote but I can say that in the Buu arc, Buutenks implies Ultimate Gohan, not Goku, has no longer room for improvement(zenkai-wise)p-hyvo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:47 am
As it is now, in dbs we are talking more about adaptation boosts than real zenkais, but anyway the result is the same.
Plus, at least for the anime, they can improve their bases via training still a Lot, that panel from the manga that is upward is valid only for the manga continuity and doesn't apply to the anime.
Still, I heard that toriyama wrote the but saga with in mind the idea that goku couldn't get any stronger from that point. Don't know where this statement is from and I'm still waiting for a confirmation on it, if anyone knows anything about it just tell me. By the way, it is useless to say that gt and super straight out contradicts that thig, making it somehow invalid
The secret for gohan to get zenkais is to train in base/ssj, if he's in the mystic state he can't get any.
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Well, for the zenkai part yes.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:00 pmYou know that is your headcanon, right?p-hyvo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:53 pmI knew about gohan, but the reason of that is the mystic form maxing him out. Not only zenkais, gohan couldn't count on rageboosts too in that fragment .
The secret for gohan to get zenkais is to train in base/ssj, if he's in the mystic state he can't get any.
The other part (mystic gohan not getting zenkais and rageboosts) is true
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It wasn't but given the fact he didn't grow stronger after Vegeta's beating and needed anger to grow stronger, it's as good as confirmed.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:27 amWhen did he unlock Goku's full power in episode 61? I know he gained the Divine Lasso, but I don't recall ever being mentioned that that was how far Goku's body could go.ZombieVito wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:39 amOnly reason Black had those zenkai's is because he still hadn't gotten Goku's full power. It's not until E61 that he does and that's why he needs anger to grow stronger in E64.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:30 am In Super it seems like Goku Black is the only one who really has zenkais. He grows stronger through pain, as has often happened throughout the arc. In the manga that's even more blatant, because Black would often let Trunks beat him up to the point of near-death so that Future Zamasu could heal him and kick-off the zenkai boosts.
The other saiyans don't seem to show this capability of growing stronger through pain or in near-death situations. In the Tournament of Power many saiyans (especially Goku) often powered-up after they were beaten but I think that's just inconsistent writing, there's not actually an in-universe reason like with Black.
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Probably a mixture of both. Black still needed to stab his own palm to pull out that new technique. Fused Zamasu needed to literally strike himself with his own attack to gain the Corrupted power-up.ZombieVito wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:51 amIt wasn't but given the fact he didn't grow stronger after Vegeta's beating and needed anger to grow stronger, it's as good as confirmed.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:27 amWhen did he unlock Goku's full power in episode 61? I know he gained the Divine Lasso, but I don't recall ever being mentioned that that was how far Goku's body could go.ZombieVito wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:39 am
Only reason Black had those zenkai's is because he still hadn't gotten Goku's full power. It's not until E61 that he does and that's why he needs anger to grow stronger in E64.
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Given that Saiyans have always broken free of their limits. I think its fair to say that they don't have limits that they can't break free of. They proved that during the battle with Goku Black despite his Zenkais.
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But Fused Zamasu is a new being. It makes sense for him to get Zenkais.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:34 amProbably a mixture of both. Black still needed to stab his own palm to pull out that new technique. Fused Zamasu needed to literally strike himself with his own attack to gain the Corrupted power-up.ZombieVito wrote: ↑Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:51 amIt wasn't but given the fact he didn't grow stronger after Vegeta's beating and needed anger to grow stronger, it's as good as confirmed.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:27 am
When did he unlock Goku's full power in episode 61? I know he gained the Divine Lasso, but I don't recall ever being mentioned that that was how far Goku's body could go.
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The Zenkai's have gone the same way as the tails and both features are useful.........
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