Dragon Ball probably won't bother going past EoZ, or even close to it; it may very well just ignore it...

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Post by Psajdak » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:44 pm

First of all, simply the fact that they chose to put the whole Beerus, and post him Super thing in that era of peace, instead of straight continuing with Uub /making GT canon alternative continuation.

Trunks and Goten look as they always were, Bulma is said to wishes to look younger, Goku and Vegeta look like they are frozen in time in their most recognizable appearances (yeah, Saiyan are said to age slower, but still...), etc...
In fact, Goku even regressed mentally.

In 90s EoZ was just that, it was thought that that's it for Dragon Ball - GT happened, but even in it they had Goku turned to kid, for whatever reason, but in this current revived DB, all of that seems to be in the way.

I'd say people in charge most likely will try to turn DB in lasting franchise where characters, similar to some other series that last decades, without changing too much, if at all - all of it happening in current age.

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Post by PremiumSalt » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:49 pm

I agree. The powers that be seem unwilling to, say, age up Goten and Trunks, probably because they're apprehensive about having to contend with EoZ, so they need to just rip off the bandaid already and retcon it so things can actually move forward. It was a stupid ending anyway.
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Post by Grimlock » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:05 pm

Until we get an official statement of "end of Z" getting retconned, they'd better not cram any more stories after Moro. That saga already did a two-month timeskip (pushing Movie 15 even further to early AGE 779) but there will be a moment when that won't be possible anymore, and whatever comes next will have to take place in AGE 781, which there wouldn't be a problem if they can keep Goku away from Bulma and her family, otherwise there will be contradiction.
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Post by WittyUsername » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:40 am

Placing the Super stuff within the 10 year time skip wouldn’t have been a problem if it were meant to just be a mini-series. Unfortunately, it’s supposed to be an ongoing thing that apparently doesn’t have any real end in sight. It’s ridiculous that they keep trying to cram so much stuff in that timeframe, especially when BoG already took place four years after Boo was defeated. I guess Goten and Trunks are just really late bloomers.

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:06 am

You can call Trunks whatever you want, but he is definitely not a "late bloomer".
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Post by Mister_Popo » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:07 am

Indeed it seems Goku and the gang are getting the superhero- / Mickey Mouse- / Bugs Bunny-treatment.
Because the franchise wants to stretch out the story indefinitely and make 'full advantage' of the available time period, characters seem to stay untouched by time.
Eventually we'll "probably" go past Eoz but it may take a while.
I don't expect Goku to get really substantially older and will look the same within 20 years from now.
The story will probably never end. Although i'd wish Toriyama at least writes a 'proper conclusion' from his side when his involvement definitely ends, DB is too big to die and eventually Goku and the gang will return.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:12 pm

It’s almost like the story ended in 1995 and this is just a cash grab since nostalgia sells...

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Post by Vijay » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:56 pm

Brother....I knew this the moment I saw 1st episode itself....BOG further solidified my opinion. Rest is history

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Post by Matches Malone » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:45 am

I think they'll just continue to sit in this 10 year gap for as long as they continue to make new stories. Toei seems too afraid to just let Goku and Vegeta change their outfits so the idea of a completely different status quo with new characters and new designs is completely off the table.
Mister_Popo wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:07 amIt seems Goku and the gang are getting the superhero- / Mickey Mouse- / Bugs Bunny-treatment.
This is the biggest offense to come out of the current content as one of the great things about DB is (in this case, was) the character progression throughout the story. Clothes would change, characters would get older, relationships would change, characters would get introduced in and out of the story, etc.
Mister_Popo wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:07 amThe story will probably never end. Although I'd wish Toriyama at least writes a 'proper conclusion' from his side when his involvement definitely ends.
I don't think Toriyama's involvement will ever end as he'll most likely always be credit as a draft writer or supervisor due to his name recognition.

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Post by Mister_Popo » Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:12 am

Matches Malone wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:45 am
Mister_Popo wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:07 amThe story will probably never end. Although I'd wish Toriyama at least writes a 'proper conclusion' from his side when his involvement definitely ends.
I don't think Toriyama's involvement will ever end as he'll most likely always be credit as a draft writer or supervisor due to his name recognition.

I meant 'actively / deeply involved'. It'd like fe the last movie for him to really write on his own to be recognizable as an ending in its own right, though the series may continue later on with the labels 'based on the story and characters of Akira Toriyama' or 'approved by Akira Toriyama'.

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Post by SpiritBombTriumphant » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:09 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:12 pm It’s almost like the story ended in 1995 and this is just a cash grab since nostalgia sells...
If you hate Super so much then why do you bother coming here? All I see from you is that DB should end, that this is a cash grab, that it sucks, etc.
WittyUsername wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:40 amBoG already took place four years after Boo was defeated.
IIRC, Beerus meeting Goku is only 2 years or even a few months after Majin Boo is killed. At least in the anime. It sure isn't 4 years though.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:28 am

There'll be a timeskip to the End of Z when it makes sense. Probably after the conclusion of a very important arc (not the Moro arc, because it doesn't sound like endgame material at all). An actual endgame material arc is the Universal Conflict arc from Heroes, where the final villain is literally on Zeno tier.

All of the arcs of Super so far don't feel "endgame" enough to conclude the era between the Buu arc and the End of Z arc. The only exception was the Zamasu arc, which took place in an alternate timeline.

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Post by WittyUsername » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:44 pm

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:09 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:12 pm It’s almost like the story ended in 1995 and this is just a cash grab since nostalgia sells...
If you hate Super so much then why do you bother coming here? All I see from you is that DB should end, that this is a cash grab, that it sucks, etc.
WittyUsername wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:40 amBoG already took place four years after Boo was defeated.
IIRC, Beerus meeting Goku is only 2 years or even a few months after Majin Boo is killed. At least in the anime. It sure isn't 4 years though.
The Jump Special took place two years after Boo was defeated, and that took place well before BoG. I believe it’s been officially stated that BoG took place in Age 778.

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Post by Grimlock » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:17 pm

WittyUsername wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:44 pm I believe it’s been officially stated that BoG took place in Age 778.
Yes. Chozenshuu, Xenoverse, a Japanese event, the old Dragon Ball SSSS website and a few interviews place Movie 14 specifically in AGE 778 (the interviews technically just say it's a few years after Majin Buu saga).

The anime continuity, however, seems to take place a few months after Majin Buu saga, going by that narrator's dialog, and I do remember there being an information stating the same. If Tarble is a thing in the anime continuity, then Beerus saga cannot take place before AGE 776 (and neither in AGE 777 because of the "39 years sleeping". And then there's Pan's birth to consider too).
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Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:18 pm

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:09 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:12 pm It’s almost like the story ended in 1995 and this is just a cash grab since nostalgia sells...
If you hate Super so much then why do you bother coming here? .
Damn, I forgot Super was the only Dragon Ball series that existed :/

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:36 pm

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:09 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:12 pm It’s almost like the story ended in 1995 and this is just a cash grab since nostalgia sells...
If you hate Super so much then why do you bother coming here? All I see from you is that DB should end, that this is a cash grab, that it sucks, etc.
I don't really understand how fans can be so reductive as to think the only way to be a fan of something is to want it continue forever. It's very easy and very rational to love something yet not want its 20-year-old corpse dug up and dragged around like some kind of grotesque security blanket because people insist on more creatively bankrupt rehashes of what made them feel warm and squishy when they were kids.
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Post by Matches Malone » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:42 am

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:09 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:12 pm It’s almost like the story ended in 1995 and this is just a cash grab since nostalgia sells...
If you hate Super so much then why do you bother coming here? All I see from you is that DB should end, that this is a cash grab, that it sucks, etc.
You can believe that and still enjoy Super for what it does right. I also believe DB as a story should've ended with Toriyama's original manga, and that Modern DB is a cash grab that isn't of the best quality, but despite that, I can still find things to enjoy about it. Just because you're a fan of something, it doesn't mean you can't be critical of it or have to like everything that has its name on it.
Gaffer Tape wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:36 pmIt's very easy and very rational to love something yet not want its 20-year-old corpse dug up and dragged around like some kind of grotesque security blanket because people insist on more creatively bankrupt rehashes of what made them feel warm and squishy when they were kids.
I 100% agree with this. As much as I love DB, I'm of the mindset that things should be allowed to end and remain ended. We can still enjoy a product that has a beginning and ending, there's no need for everything to be milked to death in order to stay relevant. I do understand why it's done financially, but as someone who cares about the creative side of things, I'm not a fan of it. Despite my many issues with this revival, I'll always be grateful for the BOG movie as I think it's a masterpiece.

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Post by Mad Swami » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:43 am

I would have been fine with a sequel to Z but I would want that to be it. Battle of Gods could have been the last thing to come from Dragon Ball and I would be happy(Why I say BoG is because EoZ could work with it's existence). I would have loved a good gt with SSJ4 but I don't want years of DB content even though it's my favorite franchise. I would prefer a complete product.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:57 am

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:09 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:12 pm It’s almost like the story ended in 1995 and this is just a cash grab since nostalgia sells...
If you hate Super so much then why do you bother coming here? All I see from you is that DB should end, that this is a cash grab, that it sucks, etc.
WittyUsername wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:40 amBoG already took place four years after Boo was defeated.
IIRC, Beerus meeting Goku is only 2 years or even a few months after Majin Boo is killed. At least in the anime. It sure isn't 4 years though.
you can like DBS all you want, but it’s a fact that it was made to get a cash grab for nostalgia purposes. Especially considering the most recent movie is legit just bringing back an old villain from the movies.

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Post by VegettoEX » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:21 pm

Just want to echo the baseline "you can love something and still be critical of it" standpoint. This goes double for when something gets continued decades removed from its original production pipeline. "Why are you even here if you don't like it" is patently absurd to toss around; you don't make your way to and register an account for a specific Internet message board for a specific cartoon in 2020 if there's not some love in there.
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