Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
ZeroNeonix wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:21 pm
So I've had a couple of questions regarding the manga of Dragon Ball / DBZ.
1. As someone who has seen the anime from start to finish, do you think the manga has much to offer? Now, I'm not questioning the quality of the manga. It's just that it doesn't have anything to surprise me with. While I've never read the original manga, I have been buying the Dragon Ball Super manga as they slowly drip out in printed form (I know some of it's free online, but I was kinda late jumping into that and too much is missing). But part of the reason I do that is because I know the manga is so different from the anime. But with DB/DBZ, does the manga offer a different enough experience to justify paying to read it?
2. I've noticed some colorized versions of the manga at my Barnes and Noble. It appears to be same original linework, just with some watercolors filled in. I'm sure this is mostly down to personal preference, but what are your opinions on this?
I ran out of things to buy once I bought all of Funimation's DVDs back in the day, and decided to give the manga a spin. I had a good time with it. It was a very calming experience and you can thumb through the series in a very short amount of time. Plus, the artwork is so consistently good.
As for the colored version, Japan released the entire thing in color. So far, Viz (the English distribution company) skipped Dragon Ball and hasn't even completed half of "Z." Apparently they need to license each arc individually and there was a long halt on their production of these.
My go-to were the Vizbigs mostly because of price.
Toriyama loves to subvert expectations a lot and while I love subversion of expectations, sometimes it can make it feel like set up and no pay off. Take the Mafuba for example. He sets it up as the one technique that could defeat Piccolo, only to have Tenshinhan's Denshi Jar crack and he never gets to use it.
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I get annoyed with Trunks and Goten age discourse because it baffles me that it's somehow easier for the most ardent complainers to believe that Trunks and Goten are literally older teenagers while looking like children than that the series is just inconsistent with its dates, something they "calculate" the same way as the equally-meaningless power level discourse and has had just as many problems for just as long a time (longer, even).
Like, why do we have to fellate this idea that everyone's ages and designs have been somehow forgotten when the much simpler explanation is just that the timeframe Super is in right now isn't actually that late?
I agree with the above in the sense that there is something troubling about the sort of logic that suggests that Goten/Trunks/Marron are somehow any older than they were during the Boo saga. Similarly the notion of Bra/Pan in GT somehow being younger than they appear.
I'm not much of a power-scaler fan but every now and then I like to indulge in it. One thing that gets me is the Super anime is often derided for being inconsistent and having "terrible power-scaling" but I feel like if I set my mind to it, I could scale most of the major characters pretty comfortably.
There are a lot of characters on the same tier- for instance, SSB Goku, SSB Vegeta, Golden Freeza, SSR Black, Toppo and Hit I'd rank all in the same general area. I guess that complicates it because it's hard to order those characters within their tier, but even so I don't think that's a detriment. If anything it makes it more fun because you get to imagine how a fight would go with everyone on equal footing.
Is it "Frost Demons" canon to name Freeza's race? Probably have said that here before, but I think it's pretty stupid
Desassina wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:09 pm
I like to think of Boo's names like this:
Spoiler:
Pure Boo is the original small one.
S. K. Boo is South Kaioshin absorbed.
Majin Boo is the original fat one.
D. K. Boo is Dai Kaioshin awakened.
The difference between fat Boo's Majin and D. K. title comes from his magic doubling as an evil growing inside of him. Majin is a magical evil being, written with the characters of magic and person, which concatenate into devil or demon.
Now here comes the hard part:
Pure Evil Boo is the grey skinny one.
Innocent Boo is the powerless fat other.
Evil Boo is their joint effort in fighting shape.
Mr. Boo is his Majin/D. K. self kept by Mister Satan.
The Pure in Pure Evil Boo is supposed to enhance its Evil, because he is the spitting image of Majin Boo's without the magical properties of Dai Kaioshin, hence why he is incomplete in spite of him being stronger. However, by completing himself when he ate Innocent Boo, the purity of his evil was lost and he became just Evil. Being Innocent was more like playing the role of victim. He went back to being D. K./Majin Boo in the end but was named Mister.
I agree with those props (even though I don't use most of them)
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:28 pm
Is it "Frost Demons" canon to name Freeza's race? Probably have said that here before, but I think it's pretty stupid.
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DestructoDisc wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:13 am
Does it bother anyone else that the pants never get destroyed during battles while the shirts almost always do?
It didn't until you pointed it out.
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Noah wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:28 pmIs it "Frost Demons" canon to name Freeza's race? Probably have said that here before, but I think it's pretty stupid
I believe Cell once called them that in a video game. Not exactly reliable canon. The most canon name for Frieza's race is just...Frieza's race. Which is frustrating, considering how many characters we have now who are not Frieza who share the same race. Cold, Cooler, Kuriza, Frost... Why haven't we got a proper name for them yet?
What actually happened in Age 0 that caused it to become the beginning of the year count? (Or Age 1 if it's like our calendar and "year 0" isn't a thing.) Is there any information about that at all?
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Did Vegeta keep the power up he got when Beerus slapped Bulma ? The manga implies he did, based on how well he fought against Ssj2 Black, while a Ssj2 Trunks couldn't scratch base Black, but what do you think ?
No, of course not. When you get uncontrollably angry it does seem like you get stronger, but it's not like you keep that strength after calming down. It's a momentaneous thing driven solely by emotion, not a conscious one. Since it's not nearly the same as what Trunks displayed in the manga, I think it's inaccurate to call it "power-up" for that matter.
On that note, I don't think that's Goku Black's Super Saiyan 2 (despite the lightnings), by the way.
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Grimlock wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:30 pmSince it's not nearly the same as what Trunks displayed in the manga, I think it's inaccurate to call it "power-up" for that matter.
I don't think that's Goku Black's Super Saiyan 2 (despite the lightnings), by the way.
Vegeta still managed to severely outperform Trunks against Black, if he didn't keep that power, could he have trained to access it naturally ?
I don't see why not. Between Movie 14 and Future Trunks saga, there's a one-year timeskip, during that time Vegeta trained, and he didn't do some random or used common methods for training, he trained under Whis. Whatever was the momentary "boost" he got from that rage moment, I'm pretty sure he caught up with that power (and surpassed it) by now.
Goku Black's hair has been consistently drawn as the regular Super Saiyan's hair for the most part.
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I think Goku lost SsjG's power after absorbing Beerus' attack in BOG. The reason I say this is because at the very end, Vegeta says to Goku that the next time they need that power, he'll be doing the ritual. Goku agrees, but if he kept it, wouldn't he have said to Vegeta there won't be a need for him to do that because he can now access it at will ? I know Toriyama said otherwise during an interview, but I think based on that exchange at the end, and Goku's state after absorbing Beerus' attack, the intention was to have Goku lose that power. That's how I see it anyway, at least within the closed context of the movie. Goku wasn't satisfied with it, so it makes sense for him to not be stuck with it.
