What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

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What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by theherodjl » Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:29 am

Even though a wider multiverse exists, the only attempt at exploring it thus far been through SDBH so I am wondering if we won't see the characters from other universes again until there is another multiversal tournament. If that is true, what might we or what would you like to to see if the twin Zeno decide to hold another competition between universes? Perhaps we'll see the King of Sadala make his formal appearance? The demon that killed Jiren's master? The other 4 universes that didn't participate in the first tournament? Maybe the erased 6 universes? Something new entirely?
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Re: What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:42 pm

I want Gowasu to get so desperate that he travels to the future and recruits Goku Black.

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Re: What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by Magnificent Ponta » Sun Jan 29, 2023 11:36 am

I guess it depends exactly on the kind of thing you'd want to see. One of the things about Tournaments/Competitions is that they're really just framing devices for telling whatever the actual story is about, rather than necessarily being the story in and of themselves (though they can also be that), so really the sky's the limit and the story being told is the foremost question; then you run it back and figure out how the format could serve that.

But taking the question as though the event itself is the focus: one very simple thing you could do is not only introduce the 4 as-yet-unseen Universes with their own teams, but also vary up the character dynamics from the Universes we've already seen by making multiple Universes form a single team - for instance, you could make the upper 4 Universes from the first Tournament of Power (11, 3, 2, and 10) form a single team, and also the lower 4 Universes (4, 7, 6, and 9) form a team of their own too; it would give us the opportunity to learn some more about some of the characters we already saw as characters when they interact properly with the heroes we already know (or else take the opportunity to use some new characters to work with).

Alternatively, although Dragon Ball usually has its focus on fighting, I think for a lighter take, it's historically been enough of a broad church that you could do a different kind of competition announced between Universes about something else entirely, rather than simply retreading the 'Tournament of Power' format (think the small 'Sports Day' arc from Dr. Slump with multiple events between three teams picked from the different School Grades, which was a riot), particularly if you wanted to take the focus off just the Saiyans and give the other characters a bit more to do with more diversified skills than just punching stuff real hard: a volleyball stint featuring Gotenks, Tenshinhan and Chaozu, for instance, or a beauty contest featuring Kuririn as a competitor (adjudicated by a Universe 2 judging panel, naturally). More variety, sillier fare in the classic Toriyama style, but less direct retreading of what Super has already done.

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Re: What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Thu Feb 02, 2023 4:47 pm

As far as participants go, there’s the other 4 universes that didn’t participate in the ToP. Maybe the 6 mysterious universes 13-18 that Zeno erased long ago, too.

The new team could have quite a roster: UI Goku, UE Vegeta, LSSJ Broly, Orange Piccolo, Gohan Beast, Gamma 1, Granolah, Black Freeza and maybe Oob soon.

I have no idea what the plot would be without repeating the ToP, however. A battle royale where the losers get erased was the be all end all already.
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Re: What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by theherodjl » Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:38 am

Another ToP doesn't necessarily have to be a free for all battle with strict rules, that was just the format set by Daishinkan to keep the fighters within the Zeno Twins' line of sight. Moreover, the result of what happens to the losing universes doesn't have to erasure either, it can actually be something silly like the losing fighters having to put on a slapstick-style performance for the Zenos. That way, U7 could suffer a loss and not have to worry about getting wiped from existence and it could also give Goku & the others additional incentive to train in new & improved ways so as not to lose again. What better way to build growth than by having the Z Senshi legitimately lose a competition to another band of fighters?
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Re: What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by BWri » Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:38 pm

Mostly, I want to see the buildup to the next tournament, that's where we can get a lot of fun character development. All those insane off-screen powerups, lets see them on screen and see the journeys of the characters and what the tournament means to each of them.

The setup would have to be different than the previous ToP, like we have to have the threat of a villain who legit wants to wipe everyone out or rule over the multiverse with the SDB.

Or I'd just like to finally see the mortals revolt against the gods which I'd like to end with Goku vs Grand Priest. I really really want antagonistic Grand Priest and Angels.
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Re: What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by Zephyr » Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:13 am

Across various media, several characters have new transformations to test out in the ring, including Vegeta, Gohan, Freeza, and Piccolo. There are also new fighters to recruit, such as Broli and Gamma 1; I'd include Oob there too as a part of his training in the same way the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai was for Goku and Kuririn, on the off-chance this occurs after the epilogue, but I remain skeptical that they'll go past that.

A rematch between Goku and Geran in which Goku more soundly wins, and/or an inevitable team up between the two against an even greater foe. Maybe Goku unlocks Ultra Instinct 2. Vegeta inches ever closer to retirement and mustache growth. Freeza inches ever closer to easing his grudge with Goku, and fatherhood.

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Re: What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by Ashur » Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:32 am

Narratively: Nothing, the first ToP was already a slog and a waste of time, a second one, after the whole secret motive surrounding Zeno and the Grand Priest is already revealed, would be rendered 100% tensionless, because we would know no universes are in real danger, the entire point of the ToP was that it was for the survival of the universe, if you remove that, then it's jut a silly sports event with terrible pacing, not even a real tournament.

Regarding fan-service, however: It would provide us with a cracked Universe 7 team with all the new forms and characters working in the same team, but given how much Jiren was built up against all the other universes, i doubt anyone new can show up to be a challenge to hpw cracked the U7 team has become, Jiren essentially guaranteed that the other universes' warriors would all be fodder to Goku in the end of the ToP.

Personally, if it is to see MUI Goku, UE Vegeta, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo and LSSJ Broly working together, i'd rather have a Black Frieza arc where Beerus is finally surpassed, something with real tension, not a rehash.

The only way a second ToP works is how DB Heroes did it, making it about saving all the timelines and stuff, but canon DB will never get into that.

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Re: What Can A Tournament Of Power Part II Offer?

Post by TobyS » Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:44 am

Ashur wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:32 am Narratively: Nothing, the first ToP was already a slog and a waste of time, a second one, after the whole secret motive surrounding Zeno and the Grand Priest is already revealed, would be rendered 100% tensionless, because we would know no universes are in real danger, the entire point of the ToP was that it was for the survival of the universe, if you remove that, then it's jut a silly sports event with terrible pacing, not even a real tournament.

Regarding fan-service, however: It would provide us with a cracked Universe 7 team with all the new forms and characters working in the same team, but given how much Jiren was built up against all the other universes, i doubt anyone new can show up to be a challenge to hpw cracked the U7 team has become, Jiren essentially guaranteed that the other universes' warriors would all be fodder to Goku in the end of the ToP.

Personally, if it is to see MUI Goku, UE Vegeta, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo and LSSJ Broly working together, i'd rather have a Black Frieza arc where Beerus is finally surpassed, something with real tension, not a rehash.

The only way a second ToP works is how DB Heroes did it, making it about saving all the timelines and stuff, but canon DB will never get into that.
I think it'd be lower stakes, the threat could come from the other universes who did not participate before and others who have trained.

But the tournament being interuptted by baddied like the time breakers maybe absorbing energy. A being immune to Zeno like due to being from another universe or multiverse entirely as a plot point. There's a million things they could use it as a springboard for.
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