SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:38 am
In the Broly movie, Goku remembers Ribrianne when he is thinking about the strong fighters he met in the ToP. Remembering Ribrianne along the likes of the Destroyers, Jiren, and SS2 Kefla:
Ah my bad XD I thought you was talking about a actual line mentioning Ribrianne, not that frame.
Your thread is interesting, because in the past I hated how Toriyama didn't have anyone mention or remember Zamasu in the Broly movie. There is even a scene in the Broly movie where Goku remembers all the villains of Earth like Frieza, Cell, and Buu, but he didn't remember Zamasu... but now I think that it makes some sense. Zamasu is dead, so Goku isn't worried about fighting him again in the future, and he was not really a threat to the Present Earth, but to the Future Earth (if we ignore Infinite Zamasu). With all of this taken into consideration, I now think it makes sense that any reference to Zamasu was omitted from the movies.
Sorry to disappoint you, but, at least imo, it's pretty obvious that Zamasu wasn't referenced in DBSB just for convenience, for example, Cell also appears, there's even less reasons for him to appear than Zamasu, he was defeated years ago, while Zamasu only 2 I suppose, this hapoens because The "Z" brand is much bigger than the "Super" brand, they only referenced the Z villains because it's necessary for them to have any material related to the Z era, just note how literally everything from the Super Animated Adaptation & Gods of Universe Saga have a reference to Z: the references to multiple arcs in Battle of Gods, the Freeza arc references in Fukkatsu no F, the Saiyans arc references in Champa Tournament, The Cell Saga references in Black arc, the references to multiple arcs (again) in the Tournament of Power and DBS Broly, and the many Cell Saga references (again) in Super Hero.
They clearly want to fill our faces with Z era references because they know how Nostalgia is.
Even Classic DB made it way into some of these references.
Super still doesn't work in the same for them, so they probably don't think it's necessary to have any references to past Super arcs in the next ones, that's why you have no reference to FnF in the Champa Tournament, or Zamasu referenced in ToP, not even Moro was referenced in Granolla arc (not counting his cameo in the first chapter of the arc)
Toei and Toriyama know that they can always count on the Z brand.
Despite, I really like your headcanon that Zamasu wasn't in Goku's flashback in Broly because he wasn't a threat to the Present timeline.
ZombieVito wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:09 pm
Rafa Fast wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:17 am
ZombieVito wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:40 am
Both Broly and Super Hero (Especially the latter) have glaring inconsistencies with the manga. Also, I think someone who worked on Super Hero said they were in different continuities.
Sorry, but would you care to list them please? In both movies I can only find inconsistencies related to things established in the DB Manga rather than Super, as in Broly, Shenlong only being able tu fulfill one wish (while started to make 3 after Dende became Kami) and in Super Hero, the Red Ribbon being aware of Boo as a terrible monster (while everyone should not remember about him due to Shenlong)
I'll try to find that info about the Super Hero continuity too.
- The ToP flashback establishes that Goku fought Ribrianne and Kefla but he never did so in the manga.
- Super Saiyan Blue has an aura in the movie and that contradicts directly the manga's Completed Super Saiyan Blue.
- Shenron only doing one wish contradicts only the manga since the anime has Shenron leaving before the last wish is said in episode 68.
- Gohan uses Super Saiyan when he himself said he will not do it in the manga anymore.
- Gohan doesn't know Piccolo can grow giant when he himself said in the manga that he knows all of Piccolo's techniques.
- Piccolo forgetting he can turn giant is a lot more jarring since he saw 73 do it recently.
- RRA not having any footage of Moro and his army is also jarring since it was a full on invasion through out the whole planet.
- Jiren and Broly still being stronger than Goku and Vegeta directly contradicts the Granolah arc.
-About RRA without any footage of Moro: it's clear that Toei doesn't want manga exclusive content on their productions.
-About Jiren and Broly: I think it's pretty much what everyone already said here, they weren't talking about Jiren being stronger than them, but about his potential and how he's able to grow stronger in a unique way.
-Super Episode 68: I think that was really just meant to be a gag moment, I think it contradicts both comic and animated series.
I think all the other entries make sense, and there are the incosistences with the DB comic book as well...
Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 5:23 pm
Rafa Fast wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:47 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:20 pm
That’s because in the movie-verse Jiren and Broly were the strongest warriors Goku and Vegeta knew about and the ones the broader audience is most familiar with.
The manga version of Super Hero has instead Black Freeza as their benchmark to surpass. I doubt Jiren will even be brought up there, but who knows.
Regarding the second paragraph, For me it's rather only the scenes in Beerus' Planet, I've already said in another thread that they were very clearly Toei's idea, and of course they wanted scenes with Goku and Vegeta in the movie to make the movie sell better, which explains all this.
Regarding the first paragraph, I've talked about that just above.
This is simply a case in which Toriyama and Toyotaro think differently.
Nothing implies the scenes in Beerus' Planet is "Toei" addition, the whole movie was written by Toriyama himself, including Goku listing Jiren, Broly and the Gods of Destruction as people stronger than him. Take into account this directly contradicts manga-only arcs in which Goku has surpassed Jiren, Broly and most of the Gods of Destruction, probably remaining only Beerus and Quitela ahead.
My bad, it's that I've heard multiple times about the Beerus Planet scenes being last minute additions made by Toei for the movie (which would explain why they visually doesn't look very good compared to the rest of the movie)
And I think it makes sense, movie being 100% Tori would explain the incosistencies as well.
But what you exactly you meant with "Toriyama and Toyotaro think differently"?