DBZ Expert wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:05 pm
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:08 pm
There's actually a line by Krillin at the start of the movie were he mentions Piccolo being a Super Namek. It's in the scene at the start with them all on the spaceship.
There's no such line.
Well, there is, but it's exclusive to FUNimation's English dub. It does that typical thing where the scene transitions (in this case to Piccolo sitting away by himself) and all the other characters keep yapping away at newly-written dialog where none existed in the original script. Of course, this isn't ultimately relevant, because it's not in the real script to the film.
In the actual script, Kuririn asks if he (Piccolo) will be OK, Goku says he (Piccolo) doesn't eat, then it cuts away, and after a few more seconds of silence Piccolo asks, "Aren't we there yet?" That's it. Nothing about "Super Namek(ian)" in that scene.
Always a good reminder that the default version for discussion here is the original Japanese version of the series, and if you're referring to anything other than that, it's both (1) worth a check to see if the same thing is said in the original Japanese script, and (2) worth pointing out that you're referring to something other than the original Japanese version.
I also wanted to address some of the other stuff going on here in this thread:
p-hyvo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:13 pm
DBZ Expert wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:12 pm
p-hyvo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:26 am
He was kami before... Piccolo already merged.
I don't see why coming up with so convoluted explanations for things that are much easier.
The toei anime guide 2 itself gives a sort of timelines placing for the movies, and for metal cooler...
It's set in the 10 days gap before the cell games.
Toei itself uses Dende being kami to place the movie there. So yeah, this whole post is uselessly elaborated headcanon.
This movie's piccolo is just merged with kami already, accept it.
And uh, there's this too.
“Has the power of Kami”
Pretty self explanatory for the fact that piccolo already merged with kami in this movie https://imgur.com/a/qiJHGck
Lol. This guidebook was not made by TOEI and it states it takes place before the Cell Games which is wrong because the Cell Games never existed in the Manga until 7 months later. TOEI wanted to have Kami retired in the Garlic Jr Saga. PIccolo is not even shown to be as strong as his pre Kami state because the movie came out before he was shown to beat Gero.
Nota made by toei? Lmao bro you're coping the hardest just to validate your headcanon
Kamiccolo already existed in the manga and anyone knew him, and it's just very likely that they talked to toriyama for the Dende thing at that point
Just take the L
That's the literal anime guide and it's made by who made the anime and movies and is official
Just don't answer anymore after this, I'll ignore you and your fabricated headcanon
First off, and thankfully it's seemingly already cooled off, but please spare us from this weird dismissive bravado. If you're not actually interested in having a conversation, please just don't even bother posting. It's super embarrassing to have to read, to have to moderate on top of that, and to have sitting there eternally representing "discourse" here.
Speaking of good reminders, some other things worth keeping in mind:
- Toei is an animation company, not a publishing company; books made about even things they wholly own would still need to be put out by another company
- Shueisha is the ultimate rights holder for the Dragon Ball franchise
- Of course Shueisha is going to publish guide books for the Dragon Ball franchise, since they're a publishing company, they're the owners, and they can and do work directly with their sub/licensee partners (like Toei) on all these aspects of the franchise
- Putting your phone over top a Daizenshuu page may get you a rough translation of what the words on that single page say, but it doesn't give you any sort of context for what that entire section of the book may be about; if you can't independently read and comprehend what's on that page, you've only given yourself a starting point, not an end point. I mean good god, in one of the examples I just clicked, it didn't even pick up most of a line there!
There's probably a lot more to address, but I really didn't want to give that part of the conversation the time of day anyway, so hopefully this puts a nice little bow on things.
Anyway, I'd like to wrap things up by saying that nothing in this thread actually addresses "explains" how or why Dende was revealed as Earth's God in DBZ movie 6 ahead of the actual series. There are no definitive statements from production team members, etc. etc. etc.
I think that through-line noting the Garlic Jr. material is interesting, but without anyone going on record and saying that, for example, yes Toriyama had the idea and let Toei know, or Toei possibly pitched the idea to Toriyama... again, there's nothing "explained" here.