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Re: Criticism

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sun May 21, 2023 7:17 pm

Um... Topic Creator... You DO know you could have just made a new thread to criticize TFS and that WOULD NOT have been closed? Vegetto EX objected to the blatant grave posting. Not your opinions.
Marz wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm "Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"

This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
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Re: Criticism

Post by Yuji » Wed May 24, 2023 4:11 pm

I do hope the name Ultra Instinct Lolicon is ironic.

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Re: Criticism

Post by BootyCheeksJohnson » Wed May 24, 2023 4:35 pm

This post is just a personal attack and not a critique of how this site or the forms could be better. Which if you aren't aware is usually what gets people banned.

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Re: Criticism

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Wed May 24, 2023 5:55 pm

Yuji wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 4:11 pm I do hope the name Ultra Instinct Lolicon is ironic.
Me too.
Marz wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm "Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"

This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
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Re: Criticism

Post by tinlunlau » Wed May 24, 2023 8:51 pm

FYI, I never left the forum. I just never see the point in posting here anymore. The English dub can suck balls for all I care. 😂😂😂

If there's constructive criticism I'd like to add, it's the fact that this forum leaves no room for forum members to talk about off-topic subject matter. Stuff other than Dragon Ball. Sometimes, we can't even talk about Akira Toriyama around here. 🤷
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Re: Criticism

Post by TheGreatness25 » Wed May 24, 2023 9:59 pm

tinlunlau wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 8:51 pm FYI, I never left the forum. I just never see the point in posting here anymore. The English dub can suck balls for all I care. 😂😂😂

If there's constructive criticism I'd like to add, it's the fact that this forum leaves no room for forum members to talk about off-topic subject matter. Stuff other than Dragon Ball. Sometimes, we can't even talk about Akira Toriyama around here. 🤷
To be fair, this is a Dragon Ball forum.

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Re: Criticism

Post by JulieYBM » Wed May 24, 2023 10:17 pm

I'm sure someone with a life outside of a fandom website like Mike probably doesn't want to add even more to his plate by formally expanding the scope of the discussion forum outside of said fandom.

This website is a second full-time job, is it really surprising a guy with a full-time job, a family and friends would be unlikely to allow formal places for discussing non-Dragon Ball things?
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Re: Criticism

Post by PurestEvil » Thu May 25, 2023 4:55 am

Yuji wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 4:11 pm I do hope the name Ultra Instinct Lolicon is ironic.
No it is not, they posted weird shit in the sexy pictures thread before
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Re: Criticism

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 28, 2023 2:31 pm

I'm not really that active here anymore, but a lot of this criticism seems to be a bit...late? This seems aimed at pre-2013 Mike, before I even joined. The moderation has been pretty relaxed since the current wave surged in post-Battle of Gods.
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Re: Criticism

Post by bkev » Sun May 28, 2023 4:21 pm

Kamiccolo hit the nail on the head. This used to be the kind of spot where any and all grammar, even if English was your second language, would get the once-over by a mod if you made the simplest mistake. We're better off for not having that level of moderation.

Mike has always struck me as a guy who, despite the intense special interest in DB that he shares with us, is a regular fellow. He understands that nuance exists, that others have other opinions, and that there's a clear difference between healthy discussion and bickering. It's become more apparent over the years as other message boards have died out and Kanzenshuu remains -- simply put, because we're one of the few holdouts for such hyperspecific message board culture, we have become more welcoming as a community. Mike's usual posts and moderation style reflect that.

Any time he steps in I appreciate his attitude. It almost never comes off as rude, and trust me, there were times it used to. A lot of us old-timers have grown over the years and I'd say Mike has as a person as well.

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Re: Criticism

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sun May 28, 2023 4:39 pm

Hey! Welcome back!
Marz wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm "Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"

This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same. :lol:

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Re: Criticism

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun May 28, 2023 5:42 pm

It amazes me how people continue to bring up the Sean Schemmel thing *13 year later* as a bad faith attack. Well, by this point, I don't even know if it's bad faith more than unquestioned Internet lore. I'm just amazed how often it's brought up whenever someone has a bone to pick, despite clearly not having witnessed what actually happened. Of course, it's just as odd and random as attacking a name filter that hasn't existed in nearly as long. This is going to sound a bit self-indulgent, but I had a dramatic falling out with a friend last summer. Then, out of the blue, right before Christmas, she sent me a text message. Without any preamble or apology or acknowledgement of what had happened, she asked me to housesit for her, like I used to when we were friends. I had to almost literally shake the cobwebs out of my head because, for a moment, I wondered if I had fallen back in time. The only way my brain could make sense of that message was to believe none of the surrounding context had happened. I had the same initial reaction to this thread. I had to check to make sure this wasn't a thread that had been revived from 2011 or something.

TL;DR: People can certainly have valid criticisms, but why not actually level those specific criticisms? If it requires you to dredge up examples from over a decade ago that never affected you, it's very difficult to take them in good faith. It instead comes across like you heard someone else bitching about Kanzenshuu and just copy/pasted the same complaints.
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Re: Criticism

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sun May 28, 2023 6:19 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:42 pm It amazes me how people continue to bring up the Sean Schemmel thing *13 year later* as a bad faith attack.
This is why they say people should be careful what they post online because once it's there it's there forever. I do agree it's unfortunate in a way, because we all change with time it's very common how we come across in our Internet posts several years ago doesn't represent who we are today.

In the case of Sean Schemmel he does seem to have mellowed out a little bit, as he's had his insecurities over other actors for English dubs being known as "the voice of Goku" but he was apparently very supportive of Lex Lang when he got cast in the Bang Zoom dub of Super. 2010 was a tricky time for him, he had been taking, what we may call excessive pride in Kai being dubbed more faithfully than Z and seemed to have a certain amount of concern about fans being more drawn to a potentially less faithful Kai dub from Ocean (at least in terms of music, although ironically that was before the scandal and all other dubs having to use the replacement Kikuchi score. Hence saying fans who don't like Funimation's dub but liked Ocean's "don't like Dragon Ball Z" because they are not getting "the purest experience"), although I'd have to say he has nothing to fear, most fans love the dubs he's a part of, and that's likely never to change at this point.
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Re: Criticism

Post by ATA » Mon May 29, 2023 11:33 am

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:19 pm
Gaffer Tape wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:42 pm It amazes me how people continue to bring up the Sean Schemmel thing *13 year later* as a bad faith attack.
This is why they say people should be careful what they post online because once it's there it's there forever. I do agree it's unfortunate in a way, because we all change with time it's very common how we come across in our Internet posts several years ago doesn't represent who we are today.
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Also I'm suprirsed VegettoEX hasn't locked this thread yet or at least relocate it.
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Re: Criticism

Post by WittyUsername » Mon May 29, 2023 4:06 pm

I began lurking these forums around December 2011, even though I didn’t make my own account until a full two years later, but I do remember getting the impression that there was a bit of an elitist attitude here , but I don’t really see that nowadays. I feel like now that the Japanese version has become more widely accepted, you’re less likely to see wars between sub and dub fans, and as others have said, that whole word filter thing is long gone.

Frankly, the fact that this thread hasn’t been locked yet seems like a pretty good testament to the fact that the mods have become more accepting and nuanced.

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Re: Criticism

Post by Ssj3Engels » Wed May 31, 2023 6:13 pm

I think VegettoEX has good and bad moments, just like most "normal" human beings that we know of. :wink: :lol:

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Re: Criticism

Post by MCDaveG » Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:35 am

Man, penguintruth was my mate here on the forums!
He is still pretty much active on animenewsnetwork and haven’t lost his edge :lol: I do miss him ever since…

This is insanely funny thread! Kudos to the OP for the balls of steel to write something like that, even tho I disagree for the most part.
I think that this message board is a safe space among the wide open internet and while some jerks do pop up from time to time, VegettoEX is far from a jerk. Strict? Yeah, but fair :))
And honestly, we’ve all matured in a way, myself included and being in the age range of users 30-40.

I think the sub and dub wars are quite over, since American audience is finally getting faithful adaptations and the era of DiC, Saban, Fox Kids and other butcherers from the 90s is over… Anyone can enjoy anything and here we are to discuss the pros and cons of everything in respectful manner :)

Otherwise you are just like an old man screaming at clouds.
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Re: Criticism

Post by Majin Buu » Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:25 am

MCDaveG wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:35 am I think the sub and dub wars are quite over, since American audience is finally getting faithful adaptations and the era of DiC, Saban, Fox Kids and other butcherers from the 90s is over… Anyone can enjoy anything and here we are to discuss the pros and cons of everything in respectful manner :)

Otherwise you are just like an old man screaming at clouds.
Cue Chris Sabat's unprompted criticism of Joji Yanami's Kaio performance in the middle of a panel that had nothing to do with dub vs. sub differences (complete with a cringe imitation of Yanami to boot). Very unprofessional and disrespectful to the recently deceased Yanami.

He's very much that old man screaming at clouds.

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Re: Criticism

Post by MCDaveG » Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:13 pm

Majin Buu wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:25 am
MCDaveG wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:35 am I think the sub and dub wars are quite over, since American audience is finally getting faithful adaptations and the era of DiC, Saban, Fox Kids and other butcherers from the 90s is over… Anyone can enjoy anything and here we are to discuss the pros and cons of everything in respectful manner :)

Otherwise you are just like an old man screaming at clouds.
Cue Chris Sabat's unprompted criticism of Joji Yanami's Kaio performance in the middle of a panel that had nothing to do with dub vs. sub differences (complete with a cringe imitation of Yanami to boot). Very unprofessional and disrespectful to the recently deceased Yanami.

He's very much that old man screaming at clouds.
I agree, but Chris Sabat is not a member of this forum. At least I think :D
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Re: Criticism

Post by Majin Buu » Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:48 pm

My point was that there's still folks out there willing to fan those flames. I brought up Sabat because he's the most prominent and recent example.

In regards to the forum specifically, I get the sense that most of the long-time members have gone through the dub vs. sub thing so many times that it's been thoroughly exhausted as a discussion point. Along with chilling out about it with age.

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