The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Koitsukai » Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:15 am

1) Cell Games but instead of Perfect Cell, the gang is fighting DBS Broly from that era (no SS, no Ohzaru, just his base form), can they do it?
How strong was DBS Broly back then? could they take him? would a genki dama do it? how about SS2 Gohan's Super KHH aided by Goku's Super KHH?

2) Z Broly vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (only base) + Z Broly movie gang (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo - no power of friendship)
So, the guys that fought Z Broly on New Vegeta but with DBS Broly with them. Could a much younger DBS Broly put down Z Broly? or was he already greater than everything Z had to offer? does he need the help of the gang?

3) Z Broly's second coming vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (just base form). If he lost the first time, could a zenkai boost help Z Broly secure the win?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:56 am

TobyS wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:09 am
Doesn't catching korin mean goku surpassed him?

Yeah the team can beat goku here if he can't use higher multipliers.

Guldo is underrated. Gohan was probably stronger than zarbon at this point his powers give him the win. He's on the gforce for a reason.

Present trunks is stronger but not 50x people can't power scale fucking hell.

Goku is only a little above ss1 cell games gohan here, so it depends how you think he'd fair too.

Lets say he can beat the cell that was holding back, but without gohans rage boosts he needs ss2.

I think even Bog ss1 goku struggles with full power PC.
-I also initially thought catching Korin would mean surpassing him, but the shonen jump power level chart gave him a power level of 190. You could argue this is supported by post 22nd Goku thinking Korin could still train him. However Korin said no, Goku already surpassed him. So Korin is either weaker than post Tambourine fight Goku, 22nd Goku, or post Korin training Goku. It really comes down to if you take those power levels seriously.

-The team can't work together. So lets say post Guru Krillin by himself vs KKx2 Goku.

-Gohan was weaker than Zarbon initially, and it was stated their power levels were "over 10,000" when attacking Guldo with the daizenshuu putting him at 14,000 I think. However that might not have been his power limit and the anime does say he went over 20,000 with the masenko. But that would still be below monster Zarbon who would be near 30,000.

-teen Future Trunks is heavily nerfed due to the fact he was losing to base future Gohan who is confirmed weaker than Yardrat Goku. So you still think base Buu saga Trunks stands no chance at all?

-ssj2 Goku was a bit above ssj2 Cell games Goku, but that doesn't have to hold true with all forms. Gohan could have very well gotten a rage boost on top of ssj2. If you believe ssj2 is a 2x multiplier from ssj as the super exciting guide claims, then he would almost have definitely gotten a rage boost. Goku also implies he did in the Buu saga, saying that Gohan has to get mad (knowing Gohan can turn ssj2 at will). So theoretically ssj Buu saga Goku could be multiple times stronger than Cell games ssj Gohan, with his ssj2 only being slightly ahead of rage ssj2 Gohan.

-the Super manga has ssj Goku easily defeat perfect Cell in image training, and was about to fight kid Buu. At bare minimum this should put his ssj a good deal above the suppressed perfect Cell that fought Goku.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:19 am

Hellspawn28 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:35 pm Buu saga Piccolo vs. SSj Buu Saga Goku

- No outside help
- Goku can't go SSj2 and SSj3
- Piccolo has no weight clothes

Who wins?
Goku stomps. Some people even think base Goku could win, though I personally have Piccolo winning that due to Beerus saying Frieza>base Goku.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by nineko » Sun Jun 23, 2024 5:37 pm

Would a potara fusion of Enma and North Kai have been helpful in the battles against Nappa and Vegeta?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TobyS » Sun Jun 23, 2024 5:40 pm

nineko wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 5:37 pm Would a potara fusion of Enma and North Kai have been helpful in the battles against Nappa and Vegeta?
North kai was about as strong as Nappa I think, fusions a mbig multiplier so he easily beats both saiyans.

I don't see him beating freeza tho.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gogetason » Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:40 pm

Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TobyS » Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:18 am

Gogetason wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:40 pm Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell
Pui pui is blitzed I have him Saiyan saga vegeta level.

Majin Yakon is about the same but has blades and ki eating he wins.

Dabura is compared to spc initially and then his assessment is revised upwards. AND he has the stone spit as a fall back
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mr Perfect Cell » Tue Jul 02, 2024 2:26 pm

Gogetason wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:40 pm Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell
Pui Pui gets obliterated but yakon is on par or a little weaker but since Frieza doesn't have knowledge about his ki succ he might lose also he fights in the dark and this frieza can't sense ki so it will make things difficult.

Even to this day its hard for which cell dabura is compared to but i feel like if he was SPC lvl Goku/Vegeta would see him as more of a threat since SPC is on par with CG Gohan which Goku/Vegeta barley surpassed. I would say he's comparable to the 2nd strongest cell at best and that is the last power goku felt from cell when he was alive (not sure if he knew how strong spc was tbh). Dabura puts up a fight but unless he gets a lucky hit with his spit he loses.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TobyS » Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:05 am

Mr Perfect Cell wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 2:26 pm
Gogetason wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:40 pm Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell
Pui Pui gets obliterated but yakon is on par or a little weaker but since Frieza doesn't have knowledge about his ki succ he might lose also he fights in the dark and this frieza can't sense ki so it will make things difficult.

Even to this day its hard for which cell dabura is compared to but i feel like if he was SPC lvl Goku/Vegeta would see him as more of a threat since SPC is on par with CG Gohan which Goku/Vegeta barley surpassed. I would say he's comparable to the 2nd strongest cell at best and that is the last power goku felt from cell when he was alive (not sure if he knew how strong spc was tbh). Dabura puts up a fight but unless he gets a lucky hit with his spit he loses.
Even if he's comparing him to perfect cell and not super perfect initially there's a line where he reasses dabras strength and says he's stronger than he thought.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mr Perfect Cell » Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:33 pm

TobyS wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 11:05 am
Mr Perfect Cell wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 2:26 pm
Gogetason wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:40 pm Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell
Pui Pui gets obliterated but yakon is on par or a little weaker but since Frieza doesn't have knowledge about his ki succ he might lose also he fights in the dark and this frieza can't sense ki so it will make things difficult.

Even to this day its hard for which cell dabura is compared to but i feel like if he was SPC lvl Goku/Vegeta would see him as more of a threat since SPC is on par with CG Gohan which Goku/Vegeta barley surpassed. I would say he's comparable to the 2nd strongest cell at best and that is the last power goku felt from cell when he was alive (not sure if he knew how strong spc was tbh). Dabura puts up a fight but unless he gets a lucky hit with his spit he loses.
Even if he's comparing him to perfect cell and not super perfect initially there's a line where he reasses dabras strength and says he's stronger than he thought.
True but its mostly due to his pparent magic seeing the full quote and context hes a lot tougher than he thought. I just have Dabura >= Cell just to give him a slight power advantage on top, still fitting with the statement.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:55 pm

Koitsukai wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:04 pm Controlled SS Broly (as seen vs Beast Gohan) vs Zombie Gas

Controlled SS Broly vs TUI Goku and UE Vegeta (Granny arc)

Controlled SS Broly vs Orange Piccolo (SH)
Broly loses all of them.
dragon boss z wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 9:22 pm Tao vs 22nd Krillin/Yamcha/Chiaotzu (not together 1v1 against each)

Tao vs Chichi (does she really have a power level of 130 like shonen jump says?)

Korin vs 22nd Goku (shonen jump says his power level is 190, did Goku get a zenkai and surpass Korin after Tambourine fight or is the number wrong?)

Old King Piccolo vs 23rd Yamcha/Krillin (1v1 not together)

Babidi vs saiyan saga Yajirobe/Chaiotzu (1v1)

Jaco vs Raditz

Guru awakened Gohan/Krillin vs saiyan saga kaioken x2 Goku (1v1)

Guldo vs monster Zarbon

Buu saga Krillin vs Buu saga tien vs base Goten (order these 3)

Buu saga base Trunks vs ssj 14 year old future Trunks that sparred with base Gohan

Kibito vs end of namek saga base Goku

Yakon vs Android 19 (pre and post absorption)

strongest form of Cell pre ROSAT ssj Goten can beat

Supreme Kai vs pre tournament training buu saga ssj Gohan

base Gotenks pre ROSAT vs buu saga ssj2 Gohan

base Gotenks post ROSAT vs ssj2 Goku

buu saga ssj Goku vs super perfect Cell
1) Tao loses all of the fights.
2) Tao gets one shotted.
3) Yes, Goku got a zenkai and that's how he surpassed Korin.
4) King Piccolo beats them both.
5) Babidi explodes them like he did Spopovitch.
6) RoF Jaco one shots.
7) Goku.
8 ) Zarbon.
9) Goten > Krillin > Tenshinhan.
10) Future Trunks gets finger flicked.
11) Kibito one shots.
12) Yakon only wins pre absorptions.
13) Semi Cell.
14) Gohan.
15) Even SS Gohan wins.
16) Even SS Goku wins.
Hellspawn28 wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:35 pm Buu saga Piccolo vs. SSj Buu Saga Goku

- No outside help
- Goku can't go SSj2 and SSj3
- Piccolo has no weight clothes

Who wins?
Goku destroys. Piccolo doesn't surpass this Goku until the U6 arc.
Hellspawn28 wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:42 pm SSj Namek Saga Vegeta vs. 100% Full Power Freeza

If Vegeta became a SSj in the Namek saga, would he able to beat Freeza at full power?
Vegeta but it's not easy.
Koitsukai wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:15 am 1) Cell Games but instead of Perfect Cell, the gang is fighting DBS Broly from that era (no SS, no Ohzaru, just his base form), can they do it?
How strong was DBS Broly back then? could they take him? would a genki dama do it? how about SS2 Gohan's Super KHH aided by Goku's Super KHH?

2) Z Broly vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (only base) + Z Broly movie gang (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo - no power of friendship)
So, the guys that fought Z Broly on New Vegeta but with DBS Broly with them. Could a much younger DBS Broly put down Z Broly? or was he already greater than everything Z had to offer? does he need the help of the gang?

3) Z Broly's second coming vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (just base form). If he lost the first time, could a zenkai boost help Z Broly secure the win?
DBS Broly kills everyone.
nineko wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 5:37 pm Would a potara fusion of Enma and North Kai have been helpful in the battles against Nappa and Vegeta?
Very helpful.

Nappa gets toast easily and Vegeta might not even manage to win with Oozaru.
Gogetason wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:40 pm Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell
1) Freeza. Yakon was around base Goku from the Boo arc, who was still weaker than Freeza 4 years later.
2) They are equals but I say Dabura. He has his spit and magic.

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Post by Nodeo-Franvier » Thu Jul 04, 2024 5:14 am

Monster Zarbon and Vegeta vs Reacoom or Burter or Jeice or Nail

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Post by GatoF » Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:32 pm

Nodeo-Franvier wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 5:14 am Monster Zarbon and Vegeta vs Reacoom or Burter or Jeice or Nail
They lose to each of them, maybe they can beat Nail if they work together but it's unlikely

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GatoF » Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:45 pm

1. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs SSJ2 Vegeta ( Buu arc pre-majin)
2. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs Movie 8 LSSJ Broly

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Post by TobyS » Sun Jul 07, 2024 6:08 pm

GatoF wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:45 pm 1. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs SSJ2 Vegeta ( Buu arc pre-majin)
2. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Dabra is stronger than spc imo initially compared to him and then said to be stronger than they first thought. Goku and Gohan only surpassed cell games gohan with ss2 and that was with majin boost. So I think without it vegeta was weaker and was banking on only being able to beat present weaker ss2 gohan.

Trunks is as strong as gohan or a little stronger. Maybe as strong as buu saga goku.

Yeah trunks is between cg gohan and ss2 goku.
Vegeta is between rusty ss2 gohan and cell games gohan ss2

If a tired ss1 with the energy of 4 other wounded ss1 level guys can beat broly a fresh and better than average ss2 can do it
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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