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Would you be open to replacement scores being used for future Dragon Ball content?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:52 am

I know this has been done before and we know its almost certainly never going to happen, but lets say hypothetically if Crunchyroll were to hire American musicians because for whatever reason the cost of licensing the Japanese score was absurdly expensive would you mind if say Daima aired on TV with a new score as long as there is an option of watching the dub with the original score and the Japanese original on the home releases?

Now I know a lot of people here are purists and will say replacement music is inexcusable no matter how good or fitting the score is, and I know we'll be hearing those criticisms should Ocean Kai ever surface, but I personally wouldn't be opposed to it as long as we aren't deprived of the original score.
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Re: Would you be open to replacement scores being used for future Dragon Ball content?

Post by JulieYBM » Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:55 am

Dubs aren't going to be the original project itself, so I'm kind of just beyond caring about them. That being said, if the score in the original Japanese track was altered, I would simply use Other Means to get the original version and ignore what I have no use for.
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Re: Would you be open to replacement scores being used for future Dragon Ball content?

Post by M16U3L2015 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 5:07 pm

I wouldn't mind as long as it's optional and not imposed on the international versions as happened with the Pokemon anime.

Although I don't see any justification for doing that currently other than 1) For copyright and royalty issues and 2) Trying to westernize it to appeal to US audiences.

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Re: Would you be open to replacement scores being used for future Dragon Ball content?

Post by TechExpert2021 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:14 pm

I would be open to new replacement scores for future Dragon Ball material as long as it serves as an optional alternate soundtrack. However, they'll only do replacement scores in the case of copyright and licensing issues or making their product appealing to non-Japanese audiences.

But what about Dragon Ball video games? The DBZ Sparking games (Budokai Tenkaichi games) are the only Dragon Ball games to have the entire soundtrack replaced when localized outside Japan, as the original Japanese versions used the Shunsuke Kikuchi and Akihito Tokunaga soundtracks. Budokai Tenkaichi 2 and 3 used a custom replacement soundtrack, whereas Budokai Tenkaichi 1 recycles the Kenji Yamamoto tracks from the Budokai games.
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Re: Would you be open to replacement scores being used for future Dragon Ball content?

Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Jun 22, 2024 8:42 am

I see no point in a replacement score. They literally only exist so the licensing company can make additional money off its own original score and have thankfully been mostly done away with outside the Pokemon dub (and even they keep the Japanese music for the movies)


The Ocean Kai dub s a rare example where I don't care because the Yamamoto score wouldn't be allowed to be used anyways if that dub ever aired and the recycled Kikuchi score is a musical trainwreck

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Re: Would you be open to replacement scores being used for future Dragon Ball content?

Post by GhostEmperorX » Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:59 pm

Even trying to grant the situation, it doesn't take long before the sheer contrived nature of it becomes too big a factor to ignore. Making a new score and then putting the original on home video releases will only delay the momentum of the series (and its momentum is more than delayed enough already).
Also, if they can't pay the cost of licensing, they probably can't be trusted to have a proper budget for a score even if you want to force the idea through (against all present day logic if I might add).
The price complaint wouldn't fly either, because then every licensor worldwide would have that problem.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:29 pm

GhostEmperorX wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 9:59 pm Even trying to grant the situation, it doesn't take long before the sheer contrived nature of it becomes too big a factor to ignore. Making a new score and then putting the original on home video releases will only delay the momentum of the series (and its momentum is more than delayed enough already).
Also, if they can't pay the cost of licensing, they probably can't be trusted to have a proper budget for a score even if you want to force the idea through (against all present day logic if I might add).
The price complaint wouldn't fly either, because then every licensor worldwide would have that problem.
"It's expensive to license an existing score but not expensive to hire our own composer and produce our own original score" has never made a lick of sense. Unless the dub is just recycling existing music like Westwood's dub of Z or the Saban dub of Digimon.

Companies like 4kids and Funimation (before changing their stance on keeping Japanese scores) have long since said the quiet part outloud that their interest in replacing scores is getting royalties from their own music. Worked out for 4kids because I'm pretty sure most dubs of Yugioh and Pokemon were based on their dub and had to license their music, not so much for Funimation where I think only the Hindi dub used their music. And even then just the music Saban composed for them, pretty sure that dub switches to the Kikuchi score right where the Faulconer score begins in the Funi dub.

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Post by GhostEmperorX » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:57 pm

And that's exactly why the premise in the OP is faulty, especially now when everything is far more out in the open than decades past.
As mentioned before, the only people still doing alternate scores are those anime IP's for kids that are owned by a western company on the other side which puts them on TV, edits footage to shorten or remove material that doesn't mesh well with their version, and generally markets it in a different way with no uncut or subtitled releases whatsoever.
Haven't looked to see if TPCI is one of those companies though, maybe they have a western branch that's the reason for their own convention persisting till now?

Needless to say though, DB is far from being one of those, so it really shouldn't be mentioned as though it is. You don't see anyone floating the possibility of replacement scores for other manga adaptation series.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:10 pm

It depends. If the score will replace the original with no hope of a redub the answer is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NO. But...If this dub had a tv deal (It has to be a tv deal, because obviously the original would be in streaming because for me to allow a replaced dub score is to dub it uncut first) that could ensure people would be entertained and introduced to the Franchise and even anime itself I wouldnt mind at all. But nowadays this question is moot, most shows are dubbed uncut, and there is absolutely no chance of a dub with a replaced score.

The last Dub Score Dub for DB is Ocean's DBZKai dub... And sadly Toei and Ocean agree, without a tv deal from a region not already familiar with Funi Usa we'll never see it.
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Re: Would you be open to replacement scores being used for future Dragon Ball content?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Jul 03, 2024 6:06 am

Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:10 pm The last Dub Score Dub for DB is Ocean's DBZKai dub... And sadly Toei and Ocean agree, without a tv deal from a region not already familiar with Funi Usa we'll never see it.
Which is not a good rationale at all because Toonami Asia aired Funimation's dub of Dragon Ball Z, the movies and apparently Kai from time to time for years only to them broadcast Super with a different cast (Bang Zoom).

I know that dub apparently went into production because it took Funimation longer than expected to start dubbing Super and TOEI needed an English version to strike while the iron was hot, but Ocean Kai would at least offer a fresh new way of watching the show, which Funimation's dub cannot provide.
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