Videl's reaction to the photos of Gohan kissing another woman.

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Videl's reaction to the photos of Gohan kissing another woman.

Post by TBMx » Sun May 19, 2024 9:00 am

In the anime. Videl then, having seen photographic evidence of Gohan kissing someone else on the lips, instantly dismisses any thought that there may be something to this and immedately berates the messenger.

An understandable response if it was an accusation with nothing behind it. Not understandable if there's actual evidence behind it. Because its really obvious from Gohans reaction that this event actually took place. That it's not some AI or CGI completely fake photo. Gohan would just say thats not me I didnt do that, thats a fake photo.

Given thats the case, Gohan is an half alien who can move at bullet time speeds and has god like reflexes. He can dodge bullets even at very low powerlevels. So the idea that any human being is going to be able to lean in and catch him off guard for a kiss doesn't work either.

If he wanted to evade, hed evade. So one can only conclude that this event took place, which it did, and that Gohan didn't want to get out of the way of the kiss. The question I think Videl would want to be asking Gohan at this point is why.

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Post by theherodjl » Sun May 19, 2024 11:48 am

Uh...characters in DB have been caught off-guard on multiple occasions even in fights, so why exactly would they always be on-guard and use their powers to dodge physical interactions with other people in their everyday lives? It's not like Gohan had any reason to be thinking of dodging an attack when talking with an ordinary human who had no intention on attacking. If Goku in God form can fail to notice an attack from a non-fighter and have his abdomen pierced by a simple laser gun, Gohan can easily get surprise-kissed by an Idol girl.
As far as we've seen, Videl doesn't really have any reason to believe that Gohan is unhappy with her in their marriage that he would seek something elsewhere. I mean, if a superhuman with the power of a God wants to cheat, wouldn't he just cheat?
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Post by TBMx » Mon May 20, 2024 9:57 pm

theherodjl wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 11:48 am Uh...characters in DB have been caught off-guard on multiple occasions even in fights, so why exactly would they always be on-guard and use their powers to dodge physical interactions with other people in their everyday lives? It's not like Gohan had any reason to be thinking of dodging an attack when talking with an ordinary human who had no intention on attacking. If Goku in God form can fail to notice an attack from a non-fighter and have his abdomen pierced by a simple laser gun, Gohan can easily get surprise-kissed by an Idol girl.
As far as we've seen, Videl doesn't really have any reason to believe that Gohan is unhappy with her in their marriage that he would seek something elsewhere. I mean, if a superhuman with the power of a God wants to cheat, wouldn't he just cheat?
The anime itself establishes that Goku chooses to take Bulmas slaps. That if he wanted to he could easily evade it as youd expect. This kiss is much slower than a Bulma slap.

Goku getting tagged by a laser in Blue is non canon to the anime. Simply didn't happen. He was in powered down base. And the laser came from behind. We're talking about a kiss right in front of Gohans face.

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Post by DestructoDisc » Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:14 am

It was stupid. Videl in Super is the literal definition of a bland perfect waifu everyone would dream of having. They took away everything that made her interesting. Buu arc Videl definitely would've raised some eyebrows and would tell Gohan that even if those photos are fake, don't ever think about cheating on her with any girl ever again.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:22 am

I feel like we're putting way too much thought into what is a forgettable filler episode before the Tournament of Power.

You're over-thinking that scene. It's there to show that Gohan and Videl have a healthy, loving relationship, and that no wannabe scoundrel is going to tear them apart.

Anything beyond this: You're over-thinking a filler episode.

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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:52 am

I haven't watched this episode since it originally aired, but I feel like a sign of being in a bad relationship is not necessarily trusting your partner to not cheat. I think the major issue I have is that we don't see Videl's internal conflict quite as much. Videl's first instinct would be to believe in Gohan, but the photos themselves would be an external force causing an internal conflict that is good for character drama. Skipping that drama and conflict cuts the legs off of Videl as a character, and shows that the story isn't interested in her as a character with a conflict.

The problem is a lot less "Videl believes that Gohan wouldn't cheat on her" and more "the story skips over Videl's arc for a cheap plot-twist that keeps the story running quickly."
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:17 pm

I have not watched Super since it originally aired, but I remember this being one of the moments I was most impressed with, and I'm not someone who's always over the moon about Super's story direction. It is such a stock, cliched thing to wring out drama by manufacturing a situation where it looks like a partner is cheating when said partner actually isn't. I think I remember groaning to myself assuming this was where this was going. But that's not where it goes. Videl doesn't even hesitate. She trusts Gohan just that much. She knows him well enough to immediately dismiss it as the frame job that it is. And I love that. It says so much about their relationship with so little. Yes, there are any number of great stories that could be told by exploring Videl's insecurities. But that's not this story. This story is about a family standing strong together against a threat that wants to tear their marriage apart. That Videl can take one look at those photos, unequivocally say, "I don't believe this, get out," is the most in-character thing Videl does in the entire show. She's not going to take this crap. I love it. Ten out of ten. No notes.

As for the evading thing, I definitely prefer it this way. If someone's caught off guard or is otherwise emotionally compromised, of course they're not going to be able to react no matter how strong or fast they are. Even Harry Houdini got punched in the stomach. But even if you don't buy that logic, I find characters who aren't invincible to be far more interesting and far more malleable to be placed into stories, elements that are far more important than the logic of power scaling.
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Post by nineko » Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:10 pm

TBMx wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 9:00 amIf he wanted to evade, hed evade.
Amen to that, Gohan should definitely be able to dodge everything that happens at a human speed. As for wanting to, well...

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:01 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:17 pmVidel doesn't even hesitate. She trusts Gohan just that much. She knows him well enough to immediately dismiss it as the frame job that it is. And I love that. It says so much about their relationship with so little.
I loved it for that reason too, as much as people complain about Videl being bland in Super its the perfect character moment for her. I mean, what guy wouldn't kill to have a wife that knows him so well she outright dismisses even the thought of them being unfaithful? It just sends a very positive message that their relationship is rock solid.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:24 am

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:01 pm
Gaffer Tape wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:17 pmVidel doesn't even hesitate. She trusts Gohan just that much. She knows him well enough to immediately dismiss it as the frame job that it is. And I love that. It says so much about their relationship with so little.
I loved it for that reason too, as much as people complain about Videl being bland in Super its the perfect character moment for her. I mean, what guy wouldn't kill to have a wife that knows him so well she outright dismisses even the thought of them being unfaithful? It just sends a very positive message that their relationship is rock solid.
I mean yeah that's kind of the problem. Super!Videl is so bland and reduced to idealized 1950s housewife archetype of course she doesn't even question Gohan's fidelity. Being jealous and insecure would go against her new bland characterization.

I don't need her freaking out and accusing Gohan of cheating, I just can't muster a single shit that June Cleaver Videl doesn't question her hubby. If this was feisty Saiyaman saga Videl the scene would have 1000x the impact

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Post by super michael » Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:40 am

Gohan is pure of heart, the proof is he can ride the The Kintoun cloud. It is too bad they didn't bring that up in DBS, to show Gohan was innocent.
However Videl knew that the actor was jealous of Gohan and would resort to anything to make Gohan look bad.

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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:20 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:24 am
Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:01 pm
Gaffer Tape wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:17 pmVidel doesn't even hesitate. She trusts Gohan just that much. She knows him well enough to immediately dismiss it as the frame job that it is. And I love that. It says so much about their relationship with so little.
I loved it for that reason too, as much as people complain about Videl being bland in Super its the perfect character moment for her. I mean, what guy wouldn't kill to have a wife that knows him so well she outright dismisses even the thought of them being unfaithful? It just sends a very positive message that their relationship is rock solid.
I mean yeah that's kind of the problem. Super!Videl is so bland and reduced to idealized 1950s housewife archetype of course she doesn't even question Gohan's fidelity. Being jealous and insecure would go against her new bland characterization.

I don't need her freaking out and accusing Gohan of cheating, I just can't muster a single shit that June Cleaver Videl doesn't question her hubby. If this was feisty Saiyaman saga Videl the scene would have 1000x the impact
It needs that internalized conflict to really hit right. The desire and instinct to believe your spouse clashing head-on with the evidence you see before you, and how those two intermingle is where the real story is. Videl's calm reaction doesn't have any of the legwork done to establish that she actually loves Gohan. As an audience we're expected to just accept it as-is, or rely on our own person decades-long understanding of Gohan as a character to translate into "Well, obviously Videl would agree with me!"
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Post by Jiren The Alpha » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:47 pm

DB fans: "We want characters to chance and develop"

Also DB fans: "Why is Videl not the same character like before, why did she mature? WTF is this!!!

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Post by Michael_Takagawa » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:21 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:24 am
Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:01 pm
Gaffer Tape wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:17 pmVidel doesn't even hesitate. She trusts Gohan just that much. She knows him well enough to immediately dismiss it as the frame job that it is. And I love that. It says so much about their relationship with so little.
I loved it for that reason too, as much as people complain about Videl being bland in Super its the perfect character moment for her. I mean, what guy wouldn't kill to have a wife that knows him so well she outright dismisses even the thought of them being unfaithful? It just sends a very positive message that their relationship is rock solid.
I mean yeah that's kind of the problem. Super!Videl is so bland and reduced to idealized 1950s housewife archetype of course she doesn't even question Gohan's fidelity. Being jealous and insecure would go against her new bland characterization.

I don't need her freaking out and accusing Gohan of cheating, I just can't muster a single shit that June Cleaver Videl doesn't question her hubby. If this was feisty Saiyaman saga Videl the scene would have 1000x the impact.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:34 pm

Michael_Takagawa wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:21 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:24 am
Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:01 pm

I loved it for that reason too, as much as people complain about Videl being bland in Super its the perfect character moment for her. I mean, what guy wouldn't kill to have a wife that knows him so well she outright dismisses even the thought of them being unfaithful? It just sends a very positive message that their relationship is rock solid.
I mean yeah that's kind of the problem. Super!Videl is so bland and reduced to idealized 1950s housewife archetype of course she doesn't even question Gohan's fidelity. Being jealous and insecure would go against her new bland characterization.

I don't need her freaking out and accusing Gohan of cheating, I just can't muster a single shit that June Cleaver Videl doesn't question her hubby. If this was feisty Saiyaman saga Videl the scene would have 1000x the impact.
Jealous?
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Post by Michael_Takagawa » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:43 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:34 pm
Michael_Takagawa wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:21 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:24 am

I mean yeah that's kind of the problem. Super!Videl is so bland and reduced to the idealized 1950s housewife archetype of course she doesn't even question Gohan's fidelity. Being jealous and insecure would go against her new bland characterization.

I don't need her freaking out and accusing Gohan of cheating, I just can't muster a single shit that June Cleaver Videl doesn't question her hubby. If this was feisty Saiyaman saga Videl the scene would have 1000x the impact.
Jealous?
Reading isn't your strong suit, is it?
From what you're implying, you have the hots for housewives like June Cleaver. You say that anything that would go against Videl's idealized characterization as if it were a good thing.

I believe that Barbara Billingsley must be your first childhood crush, eh, Masenko? You don't need to lie to hide your feelings.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:52 pm

Michael_Takagawa wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:43 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:34 pm
Michael_Takagawa wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:21 pm
Jealous?
Reading isn't your strong suit, is it?
From what you're implying, you have the hots for housewives like June Cleaver. You say that anything that would go against Videl's idealized characterization like it is a good thing. I believe that Barbara Billingsley must be your first childhood crush?

So that's a yes on you not being able to read.

I'm saying Videl's character in Super is bland happy personality devoid housewife and negatively compared that Videl to June Cleaver . That is not a good thing.

God forbid I think Videl should be allowed more characterization that bland stepford smiling homemaker right? Too much to ask for her to still have some bite to her or at least get to do SOMETHING besides 1950s housewife. Even have her as Gohan's partner in crime as Super Saiyaman 2. Literally anything?

Word of advise. In the future work on comphrending what people are saying when you respond to them before making nonsensical accusations.

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Post by Michael_Takagawa » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:01 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:52 pm
Michael_Takagawa wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:43 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:34 pm

Reading isn't your strong suit, is it?
From what you're implying, you have the hots for housewives like June Cleaver. You say that anything that would go against Videl's idealized characterization like it is a good thing. I believe that Barbara Billingsley must be your first childhood crush?

So that's a yes on you not being able to read.

I'm saying Videl's character in Super is a bland, happy, personality-devoid housewife and negatively compared that Videl to June Cleaver. That is not a good thing.

God forbid I think Videl should be allowed more characterization that bland stepford smiling homemaker, right? Too much to ask for her to still have some bite to her or at least get to do SOMETHING besides being a 1950s housewife? Even have her as Gohan's partner-in-crime as Super Saiyaman 2? Literally anything?

Word of advice: In a future work, comprehend what people are saying when you respond to them before making nonsensical accusations.
So, do you have a crush on housewives like June Cleaver? I mean, it's not any different from liking maids, nurses, and nuns

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