Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 5 - Official Discussion Thread

[StaticMania]

All 3 of these battles have been entirely different situations...

The "point" has been different for each encounter, the first one was the most pointless.

[Yuji]

All 3 of these battles have been entirely different situations...

The "point" has been different for each encounter, the first one was the most pointless.

Both the first and the last have been contrived. The fight last episode was the more organically set up one.

[tonysoprano300]

I can now comfortably claim that I love Dragon Ball Daima, I love the adventure, I love Panzy and most importantly I'm loving Goku(which should be a given but recent DB projects have called that into question). Despite its faults this feels like there’s real passion behind it, and every episode is a joyful experience. You can definitely tell the difference between a story that Toriyama pens himself vs one where he just provides bullet points for other people.

Its almost everything that i hoped for thus far

[Saiya6Cit]

I can now comfortably claim that I love Dragon Ball Daima, I love the adventure, I love Panzy and most importantly I'm loving Goku

Oh man agreed on all of that, except for Goku. I am more of a Vegeta fan and it seems as if this is the Goku Show and Vegeta became an accessory of Goku. "Here is Goku and don't worry Vegeta will tag along soon" .... at least that seems to be the idea the openings and endings give me, this is: We will see Vegeta and Bulma on later episodes for sure but they won't have a mayor role. Not in this saga (hey Daima could last years, there could be a Vegeta saga or a Gohan-Videl saga, the possibilities!! I would watch it if they keep the quality they have displayed so far. I am truly happy with this anime).

Yeah Panzy is taking the "Bulma" role as once did Videl and Pan and we could say it is even harder as she is tech savvy and a princess (I know Bulma is not a princess, but she was awefully rich since a little kid and something like Paris Hilton IRL...). It seems like "improved" Pan to me, which reinforces my previously stated theory: Daima feels like corrected DBGT. Glorio being Trunks, Kaioshin being Giru, Panzy being Pan and Goku being Goku. But mixed with The Legend of Zelda and Starwars.

Plus I am really falling inlove with the opening.

I will keep watching and reading your comments (Finally I am here when there are 2 pages, not 5... and yes, I did read all of your posts, I agree with most infact)

Greetings from Mexico amigos

[Noah]

An interesting episode.

• Is this the first time, or one of the rare times, that Goku introduces himself by his first name instead of his full name 'Son Goku'?

• Well, now we get why Gomah decided not to kill Dende, since he can't collect the DBs from his own world, he wants to get his own ones.

• The whole thing where the main characters meet a random person and it turns out they're royalty is a pretty solid cliché.

• I had a good laugh with the king and Panzy reacting to Goku (mini) saying he's already married and has kids.

• I didn’t like that Goku’s fight with the king’s guards was his debut for SSJ, even though it was just a glimpse. I was hoping they'd save that for a more intense or dramatic moment.

• Shin mentioned Universe 7, and Goku didn’t even question it, even though the first time he heard about other universes was from Beerus in BoG. They could go like: "Universe 7?" "I'll explain later..."

• Goku’s response to Shin suspecting Glorio's actions was the best lol like seriously, those aren't even that serious of reasons to be suspicious of him.

• The whole plane situation they to travel to the Third Demon World felt kinda annoying. So, does that mean more walking trips?

• NEP hints that we're gonna get Goku vs. Glorio, but would it just be a sparring match?

The fight scene at the end seriously makes me doubt Toriyama's claims that Kid Goku can't have dynamic fight scenes.

Huh? Where the F he said that?

[Mr Baggins]

There's almost no point in comparing these episodes because they're all generally in the same ballpark. But if I had to compare, I'd say this one is the weakest of the bunch; definitely also prefer last week's episode as far as the interactions, pacing, and worldbuilding are concerned. Glorio is my favorite character in this party besides Goku and yet we still keep getting these allusions that he's suspicious without a hint of anything new about him.

Also, I don't find Panzy all that interesting in isolation. She's Demon Bulma and that's just about it so far, but she does bring that upbeat energy we were really only getting from Goku until now.

Love that we're still seeing Goku start from level 1, needing to work his way back up to things he was easily capable of as an adult. This explains why he can't just instantly solve every dilemma, if that wasn't already apparent from previous episodes. Here, he only goes Super Saiyan briefly and can't seem to maintain it. Limitations are fun, especially in this setting.

Very interested to see where all this goes when the gang meets up with Vegeta, Piccolo and Bulma.

[Magnificent Ponta]

I think Episodes 4 and 5 are my favourites so far. I'm very much enjoying the relaxed approach of the series; the sense of "sprawl" in the worldbuilding is an asset and that needs time. The story's giving things time to breathe and for me that aids the vibe of gradually uncovering a new realm in an organic way, with new vistas, environments, concepts and details emerging and receiving some (genuinely interesting) illustrative focus before we move on to the next bit.

I think it's an interesting counterpoint to the way in which Super explored its world, which was more through telling us about the bigger world while immediately cutting that back down to size by having the characters interact within tightly-bounded scenarios and by making plentiful use of allusion to (and remixes of) already-existing elements from the original work. The field of view was technically huge, but the actual sandbox was tiny and the elements within (mostly) familiar. That gave Super a kind of streamlined focus that Daima maybe lacks (that is, you can get an immediate sense of the world without having to slow down for a deep dive, so combat action can remain at the forefront), but it also sometimes gave it a slightly blander 'identikit' vibe by taking that shortcut.

In short, I think Daima's pacing is currently working just fine for the kind of story it seems to be trying to tell, at the moment. It might run out of road later on (in which case I guess I'd revise my opinion) but I think the balance is good so far.

On another note, I suppose you could say that Daima is showing us some of its own 'identikit' issues in terms of reaching into the grab-bag of tropes we see from Toriyama's wider oeuvre - Panzy is a good example of that; naturally she'll invite comparisons with Bulma since this is Dragon Ball, but Toriyama has done the 'genius girl mechanic' stuff a bunch elsewhere - most recently and tellingly in Sand Land's Story of the Angel Hero, with the character of Ann - a demon princess genius mechanic on a mission in a hardscrabble desert environment...

[jcogginsa]

Panzy feels a bit like a combo of early Bulma and Kid Chichi

Huh? Where the F he said that?

IIRC what he said was that Kid Goku's stubby limbs made it dificult to draw him in combat poses compared to more normally proportioned characters.

This is in the context of Manga, which obviously has different constraints than animation. So Kid Goku having dynamic fight scenes in Daima doen't really contradict it

[bleed0range]

If I recall correctly, Dragon Ball GT Episode #5 is also the first appearance of Super Saiyan in that series. What a funny coincidence! I don't recall if Super Saiyan appeared in the first four episodes of Dragon Ball Super, either, though. Episode #5 was Gokuu's first battle with Beers, after all.

I started to notice, that every episode takes plot points from an episode of GT. So I’m starting to think this is really Toriyama’s retelling of GT.

Examples…

1. A small goofy bad guy turns them into kids
2. Bulma works on a spaceship to leave on an adventure
3. They stay in a hotel. Ship gets stolen.
4. They end up wanted by some bad guys after sneaking around and Goku fighting them.
5. Goku turns SSJ and they visit a castle or palace and a king
6. They will mostly likely obtain a dragon ball in both

Yeah Panzy is taking the "Bulma" role as once did Videl and Pan and we could say it is even harder as she is tech savvy and a princess (I know Bulma is not a princess, but she was awefully rich since a little kid and something like Paris Hilton IRL...). It seems like "improved" Pan to me, which reinforces my previously stated theory: Daima feels like corrected DBGT. Glorio being Trunks, Kaioshin being Giru, Panzy being Pan and Goku being Goku. But mixed with The Legend of Zelda and Starwars.

Yeah, even more evidence this is Toriyama’s GT. Likely just the parts without SSJ4.

So far I like the show okay, this wasn’t my favorite episode. Hoping I end up liking it more. It’s hard for me to get too excited when Goku feels overpowered to everyone he faces compared to what we know he can do. I mean he obviously can even turn SSJ still. The stakes feel very low.

The adventure aspect would be more fun and more Toriyama if there were a bit more humor.

[TheRed259]

Why are we getting the same recap at the beginning of almost every episode?

[Jord]

It was an okay episode and I'm still amazed by the animation.
I did get confused by the SSJ "cameo" and then the golden outline on Goku. IIRC, there wasn't really a reason given as to why he changed back.

I do hope we get to see more environments. The yellow ground/pink sky is getting monotonous to me. I had the same feeling on Namek btw.

[StaticMania]

The castle was a new setting...however short it lasted.

Though there wouldn't be any worries here, this place is meant to be explored...it's going to be way more visually diverse than Namek by default.

[nineko]

Shin mentioned Universe 7, and Goku didn’t even question it, even though the first time he heard about other universes was from Beerus in BoG. They could go like: "Universe 7?" "I'll explain later..."

True, but this isn't the only instance of bad interconnections between the series, this is prone to happen when they keep on writing midquels without planning in advance. Episode 1 of GT should now have Goku say "not this again" when he becomes a kid.

[Mr Baggins]

Very interested to see where all this goes when the gang meets up with Vegeta, Piccolo and Bulma.

Addendum: I can't believe I didn't mention Hybis being part of the second group. I assume he'll be traveling with everyone given his appearance in the opening and ending themes.

He's such a lazy little shit and definitely one of my favorite parts of this episode.

[Bardock God of Time]

Simple explanation for no one remembering the Universe 7 thing:

When they turn back into adults it's possible their daima memories get mixed up with their other childhood memories. You can't remember everything that happened when you were a child. For Bulma, perhaps she was distracted by something whenever the term "Universe 7" was brought up.

[SupremeKai25]

Well there it is, this show takes place in the Super continuity and is not trying to retcon Super. This debate can be put to rest.

As for why the events of the Demon Realm and the existence of other universes are never brought up in Super, Goku probably forgot once he magically grew back into an adult.

The protagonist forgetting about the magical adventure they just had right at the end. This is one of the most common and widespread fictional tropes.

In fact, it was literally used at the end of the Buu arc for the civilians, so that they forgot all about the Majin Buu.

[Chuquita]

I'm ok with that, personally (schrodinger's Super). Continuity doesn't matter to me as much as it used to.

I waited 5 episodes to see how I liked Daima:
+ I'm really enjoying Goku's characterization and commentary so far-- he's saving my attention for Daima right now. He's like a fun announcer at a sporting event.

+ Goku immediately jumping to using the Daima dbs to wish his adulthood back gives me hope.

- I still dislike the turned-into-children gimmick. I wish the wish had been something different while keeping them as adults.

+ Panzy is a good addition to the group. Even if it feels like doubling up on engineers (Bulma) we're doubling up on fighters soon too, so.

- Glorio's like a boring version of Future Trunks atm. Shin is alright.

+ I am anxious for the others to arrive.

- I still wish we knew where Gohan is and if he'll become relevant to this series.

[AliTheZombie13]

Simple explanation for no one remembering the Universe 7 thing:

When they turn back into adults it's possible their daima memories get mixed up with their other childhood memories. You can't remember everything that happened when you were a child. For Bulma, perhaps she was distracted by something whenever the term "Universe 7" was brought up.

People say the same thing about EoZ in relation to Super you know?
"Never mind all the things that make no sense and can't fit! They'll just find a way to reverse everything and wipe out everybody's memories in the end!"

The very same thing can also be applied to GT.
Quite frankly, even if Daima/Super is eventually revealed to be set in the manga's continuity, I doubt they'll even bother.
I honestly don't care at this point, just enjoy the story for what it is.

[Mister_Popo]

Daima is really starting to pick up steam now, and the storytelling has noticeably quickened its pace. The show keeps getting better as it progresses, and it's clear that an immense amount of care is going into this series. This is likely to be Toriyama's final major project. This dedication bodes well, setting Daima up as nothing less than a fantastic tribute to Toriyama's work and legacy.

Some key thoughts:

Character interactions: The scenes with the King, Pantsy, and Goku were both hilarious and absurd—classic Toriyama gag-style humor, reminiscent of the original Dragon Ball (pre-DBZ). Fans of the original series are especially in for a treat with Daima, as it brings back that vintage Dragon Ball charm.

The King's test for Goku: I loved the idea of the King testing Goku first. Even though the stakes weren't particularly high, it allowed for a beautifully animated fight scene. The brief flash of Super Saiyan was cool, but it felt intentional that they held back on the full Super Saiyan transformation—likely saving that for a more intense fight with the Tamagami later on.

Plot depth and villain ambitions: The Tamagami may be defeated eventually, but the real threats are far from over. Gomah’s plan to create his own Dragon Balls and become all-powerful is brewing. It'll be interesting to see how he'll try to manipulate Dende. I think, however, he is too much of a comic relief character to be the end villain, but he may get a power boost and play some role in the final fights.
Glorio is clearly up to something as well. I read an interesting theory suggesting Glorio might attempt to revive Dabura (or even his father), which would make sense given their appearance in the opening sequence. It’s possible Glorio was once Dabura’s servant, aiming to restore his former rule by overthrowing Gomah—or he could have his own secret motives entirely. Dr. Arinsu definitely has a hidden agenda too. And last but not least: Neva. He has created the Demon Realm Dragon Balls, the Tamagami, and clearly has the most magical powers of all the characters. He possesses the strongest antagonist assets of all enemies. I’m really excited to see how these overlapping ambitions among the demons play out, and who will ultimately face Goku and the others in the final showdown. Personally, I’d wish the final villain would not be a revived Dabura. That would feel like a forced way to bring the character back, and I didn’t think he was all that interesting to begin with in DBZ.

Arrival of Vegeta, Piccolo, and Bulma: The King’s servant is already bringing in the others (Vegeta, Piccolo, etc.), meaning they won’t just show up at the last minute. Instead, it looks like they'll arrive within the next few episodes, which will add fresh dynamics and energy to the fights with the Tamagami. Vegeta and Piccolo’s presence promises to elevate the action even further.

All in all, Episode 5 continues to build on Daima's strengths, offering a blend of humor, action, and an unfolding plot that keeps us hooked. If you’re a long-time fan of the classic Dragon Ball, this series is shaping up to be a worthy addition to the franchise.

[Koitsukai]

Goku couldn't remember his granddaughter's name and people are getting hung up about him not recalling something Shin said casually to somebody else years before BoG?