MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 11/11/24!)

[AliTheZombie13]

That's not the aftermath. She's still unconscious. We don't know what state she's actually in.

She got knocked out the exact same way Gohan knocked Trunks out.
By DB logic, that means she's fine.

We're shown this twice, once in the previous episode, once in the flashback, and we're told explicitly that he just "put her to sleep a bit."
There's no ambiguity what happened or what state she's in here.

Then Giru gets killed and 3-Star moves in to beat her up while she's unconscious.
It's not a blink-and-you-miss-it moment either.

Yeah, he moves in. You're adding the rest.

No, the next episode adds in the rest. It's not that hard to connect the dots.

There's just no logic to his actions as you and the show want me to believe.

Character = Evil. Does evil things.
That's pretty logical to me.

His characterization is bare-bones and cartoonishly evil.
That's the argument you actually should be making here.

That is an unfair comparison.

Sounds pretty fair to me.
Was done to show off how evil the character is, same is happening here.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that because I think she looks fine. She doesn't look tortured. Just looks a bit dirty and her clothes a bit roughed up.

Scratches all over her face and a bloody mouth that she didn't have before, and an expression of pure agony.
In Censored Kids Anime logic, that means someone fucked her up badly.

I feel like these statements contradict each other. If there's *nothing* muddled or vague, how could it have been conveyed better? If it could have been conveyed better, that must mean *something* is lacking, right? Even if you don't agree to the degree that I'm arguing, clearly we agree something is amiss here.

This goes right back to a lot of things in GT.

Could have the show explained better in the first episode how exactly did Pilaf learn about the Black Star Dragon Balls and how they were never mentioned before and how King Piccolo seems to have had no recollection of them, etc, etc, etc? Yes.

Did it need to? Absolutely not, it doesn't affect the plot or my comprehension of it in any way.
In fact, if the first few episodes of Daima are anything to go by, we're better off not having had that.

I think you're forgetting some important context here. We have the ability to run back to a previous episode to check a detail. For people watching this on TV when it first aired (what the show was written for), there would have been a full two weeks in between those two shots.

I mean, we have Pan getting knocked out in one hit in the back, then 4-Star saying "he put her to sleep."
Then we have a scene with her seemingly fine and sleeping with Giru creeping after her.
Then we have a flashback of Pan getting knocked out in one hit in the back, again.
Then she shows up all beaten up with her face fucked up.

I'm sorry, but... I just don't agree that something seems vague here.

[Scsigs]

Dragon Ball GT: Great ideas, bad executions the series!

[Zephyr]

Yeah, I think a lot of this is a case of the GT staff trying to call back to and repeat fairly common DB things. Characters treating life-and-death battles like glorified tournament matches until they can no longer get away with doing so, Goku paying close attention to his opponents' techniques in order to counter them, etc. The actual execution in the text leaves much to be desired (mark it on the Bingo card), but I get the broad strokes they're presumably aiming to invoke.

Si Xing Long, like many before him, really wants a good fight, particularly one with Goku, to the point of eschewing otherwise more practical methods of bringing about maximally-evil results. This is just the sort of effect Goku has on evil bastards who like to throw hands for the sake of it, from Tenshinhan and Piccolo to Vegeta and Freeza. And this is in turn a reflection of how Goku and the rest of his stable often operate, wanting a good fight to the point of eschewing otherwise more practical methods of bringing about maximally-good results (mark it on the Bingo card). Shades of grey on both sides, meeting in the middle, all for the sake of a good fight, in this wacky tournament-coded universe.

That's Dragon Ball, baby!