KBABZ and Robo present: Daima Trivia (updated for Episode 13)

[dbgtFO]

Episode 452 - Tamagami (Daima episode 8 )
Trivia:

• After Goku elbows Number Three, he has lighting sparks around him, but does not appear to be in Super Saiyan 2. In the manga, sparks were never used with the original Super Saiyan form, while the anime includes them anyways because they look extremely cool, a semi-notorious "hallmark". In this case the implication is that Goku is VERY fired up after the Kamehameha struggle.

He was definitely SS2. And he powered up to SS2, when he was charging his Kamehameha. He gets the lightning and the change to his hair bangs to confirm it, which they consistently show until he powers down to base.
There's no reason to assume this is a case of Toei Animation just including sparks because they are cool.

[KBABZ]

Episode 452 - Tamagami (Daima episode 8 )
Trivia:

• After Goku elbows Number Three, he has lighting sparks around him, but does not appear to be in Super Saiyan 2. In the manga, sparks were never used with the original Super Saiyan form, while the anime includes them anyways because they look extremely cool, a semi-notorious "hallmark". In this case the implication is that Goku is VERY fired up after the Kamehameha struggle.

He was definitely SS2. And he powered up to SS2, when he was charging his Kamehameha. He gets the lightning and the change to his hair bangs to confirm it, which they consistently show until he powers down to base.
There's no reason to assume this is a case of Toei Animation just including sparks because they are cool.

I dunno, it reads as more Super Saiyan 1 to me. Goku's hair getting blown back whilst charging / firing the Kamehameha was because of the backblast coming off of the beam (which is hardly unique to just this fight).

[Robo4900]

Errata for episode 1:

• Episode 1 - Extreme close-ups in Daima have a habit of including some chromatic aberration on the edges of the frame. For those who don't know, chromatic aberration is the effect of colour splitting apart as it passes through the glass lens of the camera, resulting in visible red/green/blue "ghosts" along the edges of objects.

Episode 453 - Thieves (Daima episode 9)
Originally aired 6th of December 2024
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Takao Kiriyama
Animation supervisor: Shun Sawai & Hiroyuki Honda
Chief animation supervisor: Yūya Takahashi

Rumors of what Goku did in the Third Demon World spread across the Demon Realm. To avoid trouble, Goku wears a disguise at the hotel, but they can't let their guard down in the Third Demon World. Thieves see through his disguise!

Trivia:

Spoiler:

• Episode 9 is the second of Daima to have two credited Animation Supervisors: Shun Sawai and Hiroyuki Honda. Episode 5 was the first, with Naoki Murakami and Kōji Watanabe.
• Panzy complains about not being able to take a bath due to the conditions of the trip. Bulma had actually thought of this in the opening arc of the manga with her Capsule House, allowing her luxuries whilst on the road like, well, having a bath!
• Goku complaining about the hat making his head itch is NOT related to the "Saiyan hair maintains its shape" factor that Vegeta mentioned in the Cell Arc. We know this because Goku had no issue keeping his hair wrapped up in a turban at the very start of the 23rd Tournament Arc.
• The appearance of the rubber duck implies that Demon Realm ducks have mohawks.
• It's true, Goku has never had a single change of clothes for any of his adventures that wasn't provided by somebody else! This has some rather pungent implications for him spending a year with Gohan in the Room of Spirit and Time.
• Panzy, in fulfilling her role as the Bulma of the group, is disgusted that Goku doesn't regularly shower, much like Bulma in Chapter / Episode 2.
• Goku has a pink bear on the front of his T-shirt, referencing the pink bear hat he has to wear as a disguise.
• Outside of the crab claws used as serving cups, the meal at this hotel doesn't do the twin gimmick of the burger bar in Episode 3. It even has nachos with dip!
• Panzy is the first Demon Realm character in Daima to be depicted eating food, whilst Kaioshin and Glorio continue to drink liquids. In a separate first, Kaioshin is shown drinking an orange liquid (possibly orange juice?) instead of plain water like all previous instances.
• One of the fruits in the fruit bowl looks like a durian, but with a pineapple-like top. However with the much larger spikes and pink colouring, it's actually much closer in appearance to Dodoria, who is named after the durian fruit!
• The texture for the floor is actually a repeating, "tiled" texture, although this isn't obvious except if you pay close attention in the wide shots.
• In the earlier scene, the large blue Majin is never seen clearly below his chest, which goes a long way to preserving the reveal that he's the werewolf causing trouble in the lobby.
• It's unknown how exactly the wolf can blow a whistle through just his teeth. Maybe that's his magic power?
• Glorio has fired his pistol in only one instance, back in Episode 3. Episode 9 is the second time he's drawn it from its holster.
• By planting a tracking device on the Three-Star Ball, Panzy has inadvertently created a makeshift Dragon Radar!
• The werewolf can change between his wolf and Majin forms at will. Man-Wolf hasn't stopped sneezing since.
• Since the Demon Realm Dragon Balls are commonly known yet protected by the ultra-powerful Tamagami, they are the first to have actual worth as individual objects, as opposed to when they are collected into a full set.
  • There was a filler episode of Dragon Ball of a man selling fake Four-Star Dragon Balls, implying he knew their value even when not gathered together. However this is ultimately unconfirmed as he never expresses any knowledge of the Dragon Ball legend, nor is it revealed how much he normally sells them for (Pilaf just throws a pile of cash at him no questions asked).
• While it's not shown how Goku snuck behind the thieves, it's most likely he just teleported, similar to his stealthy escape in Episode 7.
• It takes Daima nine episodes for Goku to do a melee animation loop while Nozawa yells "yatatatata!".
• In the shot of the Dragon Ball rolling on the ground, the stars don't actually move. This is an attribute carried over from Dragon Ball Super, where it's explained that the stars in the Dragon Balls look the same from any angle (which definitely makes them easier to animate).
  • That said, the specular highlight of the Dragon Ball does rotate, despite that being impossible given the lighting. This was most likely done on purpose to communicate that the Dragon Ball is rolling along the ground instead of sliding on it.
• Panzy uses her map device like a mobile phone, however its rather cumbersome design helps it avoid sticking out too much from the original Boo Arc that precedes Daima by a few months yet was written in the mid-90s (as reflected by things like the Great Saiyaman wristwatch, the hairstyles of Earthlings, and Videl using a chunky mobile phone in the anime while at the Lookout).
• We would like to apologize for identifying the otter as inflatable. After Episode 9, it's clear that it's actually a plushie!
• Unlike in Episode 3, here Kaioshin sleeps forward with his arms straight down his side, similar to his character sheet pose.
• Goku at least had the sense to fall asleep next to the Dragon Ball he was protecting.
• Among the parked Demon Realm ships is one that looks like a caterpillar, with two rounded segments.
• Due to the staging of the departure scene, the impression is given that the group left the rear hatch of their plane open during their stay in the hotel, despite having all their gear on-board!
• Bulma correctly refers to the stolen craft as a "plane" instead of a spaceship, unlike in Episode 2.
• We shouldn't have to point this out as this is the entire gag, but we will anyway. Vegeta's group goes through the same motions Goku did in Episode 2: after a brief excursion outside, they stop in a hotel in town, but grab a bite to eat at a bar. The Saiyan is interrupted during his burger meal and beats up some thugs, resulting in them stealing the group's plane in retaliation.
  • One difference is that Vegeta puts his meal on hold during the fight, putting his tray aside until it's over. In his fight, Goku kept on eating as the fight transpired.
• Unlike the opening manga arc and the Namek Arc, Bulma goes on this adventure almost entirely unprepared, as she could have easily provided a Capsule House for the group to stay in instead of having to stay in a hotel (which she also neglected to provide Goku, forcing them to fret about accommodation). This actually dovetails with her swapping places with Kibito at the last minute, as we pointed out in past trivia.
• Bulma appears to have zero trouble moving despite the thick gas in the Third Demon World, which is thick enough to slow Goku down.
  • If KBABZ were to try and explain it scientifically, it's possible the gas is non-Newtonian (meaning its density changes without temperature changes). Thus it's fine to move in normally, but if you try to move fast in it, like throwing a punch, it fights back. Yes, she's aware this is a cartoon.
• Hybis says "We should contact the princess", meaning by this point he's already told Bulma, Piccolo and Vegeta that Panzy is the princess of the Third Demon World.
• Episode 9 is the first mention of zombies in Dragon Ball (unless you wanna get technical and count Bandages the Mummy from the Baba Arc).
• Panzy didn't think to call ahead to get a plane organized for Vegeta's group, which is odd because she's normally quite proactive with this sort of thing (as shown with the PIN code scene in Episode 7).
• Discounting the Boo Arc recap from Episode 1, Episode 9 is the first Daima episode to have a fight for each of its two halves, let alone have three in total!
• The majin with the Kusarigama (the blade on a chain) is apparently able to spin it without moving his arm at all.
• Hybis is the second majin to be seen eating food in Daima, in the same episode as the first, Panzy!
• It takes Hybis approximately one minute and twenty-five seconds (the duration of the thug fight) to eat two potato chips. Despite this, it only takes him an extra 20 seconds to eat his third.
• The lore behind the Saibaimen is yet another piece of "Toriyama interview lore", although in this case it's evolved over time:
  • During the production of Dragon Ball Z (circa 1989), Toriyama gave a note to the anime staff that Saibaimen were artificially created by one or more Saiyan scientists via bio-technology (this has no relation to the infamous "brilliant scientist" line from the Saban dub). This contradicts how even Z presents Saiyans in works like the Bardock special, as Saiyans aren't known for their scientific prowess. This same note also appears to have Toriyama suggesting a filler scene where the Saibaimen do something flashy to demonstrate their strength, which may have resulted in the smashing rocks scene in Z.
  • Next, in the "Saiyan Special Q&A" interview from December 2017, Toriyama says that while the Saibaimen are classic Saiyan weapons, they were discovered on another, unspecified planet. This mostly contradicts the earlier Saiyan lore from the anime note, unless the brilliant Saiyan scientists cloned the Saibaimen after they were discovered.
  • Finally, in Daima Episode 9 Marba states she once sold Saibaimen seeds to outsiders, implying that Saibaimen originate from the Demon Realm, possibly even Marba herself. Once again, this isn't entirely unworkable (perhaps they were planted on a world in the Living Realm and forgotten about), but at face value it overwrites the Saiyan Special interview lore.
• The name "Saibaimen" has in the past been rendered as "Saibamen" in the Funimation dubs, one of the few instances of a Japanese term being broadly retained (unlike, say, Special Beam Cannon, or Spirit Bomb). Until very recently it was missing the second i, but it's often included nowadays like in Sparking! Zero. The ViZ manga meanwhile translates it to "Cultivars", derived from the original name pun: "Saibai" is the Japanese word for "cultivation".
• Marba tells Arinsu to plant the Saibaiman seed about 5cm deep. Back in the Saiyan Arc, Nappa was able to plant them correctly without having to be told this information. Nappa: secret gardener???
• In the manga, the jar Nappa used to contain the Saibaimen seeds had some water inside, similar to a pickle jar. However Marba's jar has no water at all!
• Majin Koo happens to be a combination of Saibaimen, the weakest opponents in Dragon Ball Z (per Toriyama's note to the anime staff), and Pure Boo, the strongest!
• Majin Koo has pointed ears, something that none of the Majin Boo variants possessed (not even Super Boo after he absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks defused). Instead, this is a physical trait taken from the Saibaimen, possibly an intentional choice to reaffirm Koo's connection to the Demon Realm.
• While obviously taking after the Saibaimen, Majin Koo looks most similar to Pure Boo, which makes sense as that was the original form Boo took before he absorbed the Grand Kaioshin and turned into Fat Boo.
• Majin Koo's name is actually related to Bee – Boo and Mr. Satan's beloved dog – as it is as it is named by adjusting a part of Boo's name.
  • Similarly to Kanzenshuu (and unlike Toei's subtitles), we go with Boo / Koo / Oob instead of Buu / Kuu / Uub, as this is closer to the original "Bibidi Bobidi Boo" joke the name is derived from.
• Yes, the Next Episode Preview for Episode 10 consist entirely of Bulma admiring her skin.
• The title for Episode 10, "Ocean", is almost certainly referring to the Namek-like Second Demon World that we've yet to visit.
  • Why would we list this as Trivia when we only have to wait a week to find out? Because this is a moment in time we'll never have again, that's why!
  • Robo note: If the Funi dub doesn't take this opportunity to have a guest actor from the Ocean dubs, I will be so mad.

[KBABZ]

A lower-key episode this week, but I did love how Panzy saved the day here, and she looks really adorable with her hair down like that. Also enjoyed that Vegeta's group had the same circumstances as Goku's. However it was frustrating that they split up AGAIN. I was hoping we'd have them all together finally so things would be a bit more like the end credits!

[Yuji]

Episode 452 - Tamagami (Daima episode 8 )
Trivia:

• After Goku elbows Number Three, he has lighting sparks around him, but does not appear to be in Super Saiyan 2. In the manga, sparks were never used with the original Super Saiyan form, while the anime includes them anyways because they look extremely cool, a semi-notorious "hallmark". In this case the implication is that Goku is VERY fired up after the Kamehameha struggle.

He was definitely SS2. And he powered up to SS2, when he was charging his Kamehameha. He gets the lightning and the change to his hair bangs to confirm it, which they consistently show until he powers down to base.
There's no reason to assume this is a case of Toei Animation just including sparks because they are cool.

I dunno, it reads as more Super Saiyan 1 to me. Goku's hair getting blown back whilst charging / firing the Kamehameha was because of the backblast coming off of the beam (which is hardly unique to just this fight).

He has one of the two main bangs pointing upward and less bangs in general. The hair is obvious enough but the sparks show even more clearly this is SS2.

[KBABZ]

He has one of the two main bangs pointing upward and less bangs in general. The hair is obvious enough but the sparks show even more clearly this is SS2.

I feel like if it was SS2, then the story, characters and cinematography would have made a much bigger deal about the transformation and focused on it more (in the actual episode it isn't given any focus whatsoever).

[Grimlock]

They never make a big deal when Super Saiyan 2 is used (see also Vegeta vs Beerus and Goku Black; Gohan vs Broly; Goku vs Janemba and Hirudegarn). Sometimes it's up to the audience to recognize it, even when we are given barebones to work with.


(Take headed of: everyone is telling you that it's Super Saiyan 2. So you are at the risk of frustrating others if you just don't agree. Trust me).

[Mr Baggins]

My horse in this race is more of a tiny pony, but I'd just like to point out that 'Super Saiyan Goku (Mini)' was recently announced for DB Legends and his hairstyle also visibly changes to resemble Super Saiyan 2 whenever he uses his Kamehameha ultimate. These are stiff 3D models that don't really have flowing hair.

Make of that what you will.

[KBABZ]

(Take headed of: everyone is telling you that it's Super Saiyan 2. So you are at the risk of frustrating others if you just don't agree. Trust me).

I don't really like the idea of agreeing to something I don't agree with, but I'm not looking to get combative here.

I do find it frustrating however that of ALL the trivia I've posted and collated in this thread (which would easily push past 1,000 entries at this point), THAT is the one that gains traction and people want to talk about, and it's from two weeks ago. Power Levels and transformations always feel like a non-discussion and a competition as to who can shout their viewpoint the loudest.

[Zephyr]

I do find it frustrating however that of ALL the trivia I've posted and collated in this thread (which would easily push past 1,000 entries at this point), THAT is the one that gains traction and people want to talk about, and it's from two weeks ago. Power Levels and transformations always feel like a non-discussion and a competition as to who can shout their viewpoint the loudest.

That is frustrating, but in all fairness I think it's the sort of can of worms that's going to inevitably be opened when stuff that's demonstrably very much a matter of interpretation is treated as factual trivia. As for my own interpretation of it, I think it definitely looks like Super Saiyan 2, ironically especially side-by-side with the manga panel you posted.

That said, alongside the aforementioned point about Legends, it's also worth considering the ways that Super Saiyan 1 and 2 had previously merged in Toriyama's own mind. He'd drawn SS1 with sparks multiple times, and infamously thought that Super Saiyan 2 "was the one with long hair."

So, is this Super Saiyan 2? I certainly think it looks like it. Or, is this Super Saiyan 1 once again cannibalizing features from Super Saiyan 2, and in the process erasing it? Definitely possible, especially given the precedent. Whatever is the case, was it Toriyama's call or was it Toei's call? Who knows!

[Grimlock]

I don't really like the idea of agreeing to something I don't agree with, but I'm not looking to get combative here.

You and me both, but you have to echo the opinions and preferences of the majority, lest you want to go through some wild unpleasant crap around here. Anyway...

I do find it frustrating however that of ALL the trivia I've posted and collated in this thread (which would easily push past 1,000 entries at this point), THAT is the one that gains traction and people want to talk about, and it's from two weeks ago. Power Levels and transformations always feel like a non-discussion and a competition as to who can shout their viewpoint the loudest.

Then let's move on: as I noted in one of the episodes, Arinsu gave off Towa's vibes, from behavior to the way she speaks. I noticed that, while their designs look nothing alike, they couldn't be more alike in other departments. This is in contrast with Glorio and Mira, who couldn't be more different from each other, despite their designs looking very similar.

Speaking of Glorio, other than him and Five-Star Dragon, I don't remember anyone else using lightnings as a technique. Hopefully it means the other elements are coming into play too, and soon!

[KBABZ]

Then let's move on: as I noted in one of the episodes, Arinsu gave off Towa's vibes, from behavior to the way she speaks. I noticed that, while their designs look nothing alike, they couldn't be more alike in other departments. This is in contrast with Glorio and Mira, who couldn't be more different from each other, despite their designs looking very similar.

Speaking of Glorio, other than him and Five-Star Dragon, I don't remember anyone else using lightnings as a technique. Hopefully it means the other elements are coming into play too, and soon!

I haven't played DB Online or the Xenoverse games, but I did find it interesting that Gomah's design (as I noted in the Episode 1 trivia) feels very similar to Towa. I wonder if Arinsu is equivalent to her in the Daima continuity, as far as her character role goes?

[Xeogran]

We'll see if games decide to acknowledge Daima's SS2 Goku or not (unless he happens to transform into this form at another point in the story and we'll have a proper confirmation)

[Grimlock]

I haven't played DB Online or the Xenoverse games, but I did find it interesting that Gomah's design (as I noted in the Episode 1 trivia) feels very similar to Towa. I wonder if Arinsu is equivalent to her in the Daima continuity, as far as her character role goes?

I hope she isn't. If you are going to create a character to fulfill a role relatively similar to another, you just might as well use the original character instead. Arinsu is better off having her own identity (and bring Towa in to make things much more interesting!).

[Robo4900]

You and me both, but you have to echo the opinions and preferences of the majority, lest you want to go through some wild unpleasant crap around here. Anyway...

That's a great way to just... let people get away with shouting their opinions over everyone else.

Like, that's obvious, isn't it? "Just agree with the popular opinion no matter what your opinion is" is just a horribly toxic ideology, and a deeply unsatisfying line of argument.

[Robo4900]

KBABZ and I had a lot to say to each other when discussing this episode, but this might be the smallest trivia lump of Daima (which is to say – still lots of it, and all very high-quality, because KBABZ is really good at this).

The thing we mainly discussed in regards to this episode is that it sort of feels... not like a "filler episode", but rather like it's a padded-out episode. As if, when this was originally developed as a streaming show, they had a 30-minute episode and split it into two 15-minute episodes and needed to fill 9 minutes of time in each of them to get them up to standard 24-minute length.

We're still both really enjoying the show, but this is probably the weakest episode so far. Which is to say, it's still good, but it's the least-good of a great bunch, if that makes sense. Feels like it's shuffling the pieces around for the next big moment in the plot.

Of course, the real disappointment will come if Crunchyroll's dub doesn't get a guest actor in from the Ocean cast.

Episode 454 - Ocean (Daima episode 10)
Originally aired 13th of December 2024
Written by: Yūko Kakihara
Episode director: Kan Murakami
Animation supervisor: Kaori Saitō
Chief animation supervisor: Naohiro Shintani

Goku and his companions arrive at the mystic Second Demon World where a giant ocean spreads as far as the eye can see! The party is amazed at the new world but is immediately attacked by Gendarmerie that have been sent by Gomah!

Trivia

Spoiler:

• Episode 10 uses the absolute shortest recap in Daima thus far, lasting around 20 seconds.
• In the wide shot of the plaza at Gomah's castle, the shadow cast by Tamagami Number One and his podium is much larger than either of them.
• The mural on the ground surrounding Number One is framed by a pointed U shape, which is the emblem of the Gendarmerie (as seen on the front of their planes and jackets). Presumably this emblem is that of the Supreme Demon Kings.
  • The Gendarmerie emblem notably has a red eye inside the U, looking a lot like the red eye that Hybis found and wears on his belt. KBABZ theorizes that this is the Third Eye that Gomah wanted to wish for from Shen Long.
  • It's possible the pointed U shape is meant to resemble "devil horns", or the pointy ears that are now associated with Majin.
• Unlike Tamagami Number Two and Three, Number One has the Dragon Ball in his "belt", rather than in his chest.
• Number One is never seen using his serrated sword directly on Majin Koo, instead only using it to slice the green ki ball sent at him.
• Back in Episode 3, Kaioshin had to cover Goku's ears from Sir Warp to keep them obscured as he "pointified" his ears. In Episode 10 however, Kaioshin doesn't do this until they're already inside Sir Warp, seemingly making no attempt to obscure Goku's normal ears on the way in.
• Piccolo's phrasing implies that Dende being a baby directly affects the usefulness of the Earth Dragon Balls, somehow. He may be referring to the fact that the Earth Dragon Balls are turned to stone, and thus they cannot be used to turn everyone back to their normal ages.
  • Speaking of, while it isn't stated at all, the Namekian Dragon Balls cannot be used during Daima because they too have been turned to stone, after being used to assist the defeat of Boo a few months prior.
• This episode confirms Hybis doesn't mind polygamy. This can be a rather complex thing to practice, as Vegeta indirectly demonstrates.
  • Amusingly, in Episode 8 Hybis says claims he's got a date, prompting King Kadan to say he doesn't have a girlfriend.
• Majin Koo's fighting style combines the dynamic improvisation of Fat Boo with the ferality of the Saibaimen, which of course makes a lot of sense.
• The kraken is similar in spirit to the giant fish of planet Namek. For those who need a reminder, in chapter 258 of the manga a giant fish accidentaly saved Gohan, Krillin and Dende from Vegeta by bursting out of the water, making him think his Scouter had detected its ki instead.
• Despite being called a kraken, its appearance is closer to that of a jellyfish, and broadly similar to the Healslime from Dragon Quest.
• Once again, Nyoi-bo has metallic sound effects when deflecting attacks in this episode.
• Majin Koo's fight with Tamagami Number One is the first to occur in both the first and second halves of a Daima episode (aka on either side of the eyecatches).
• The trees that Kaioshin mentions are the Ajissa trees (or Hydrangea Plants in the ViZ manga translation). In Chapter 259 of the manga, Dende explains that Namek used to have forests of them before the terrible drought, and that the Namekians plant them to make the planet beautiful again (lining up with Kaioshin's exposition in Daima). This conveniently explains why both the Demon World planet and Namek have similar amounts: the former because the Namekins took them before leaving, and the latter because the great drought wiped out the forests.
• In the fourth shot of the flashback to the Namek arc, showing the planet's destruction, the water on Namek is depicted as, well, water. Dragon Ball Z changed this to red lava, giving it a rather different appearance than Toriyiama likely intended in the manga. The Full Color Manga, as well as more modern depictions of Namek's destruction, retain Namek's water during the final stages of its destruction, just like Daima does.
• Goku grabs the pouch of the various bugs from inside his gi, implying he had them there during all of his previous fights, just like with Senzu Beans.
• Neva is revealed to live here in the Second Demon World. This wasn't implied back in Episode 1, where it seemed he lived somewhere in Gomah's castle in the First Demon World.
• When Piccolo states that it was his father who lived in the Second Demon World, he doesn't clarify if he's referring to his previous Piccolo Daimao incarnation or Katatz. However, he's almost certainly referring to his "proper" biological father Katatz, since Daimao + Kami (as the Nameless Namekian) were very young when they were sent to Earth.
  • Interestingly, Piccolo never states his father's name in this episode, meaning it's possible that he/Kami forgot their father's name in addition to their own name. Thus far, only the previous Grand Elder appeared to know Katatz's name.
• Majin Koo has more sense than practically any major Dragon Ball villain before him by recognising that he cannot win the fight and calls it quits. Before this, villains such as Cell, Android 20, King Cold, Freeza and Freeza's henchmen all lose because they keep fighting anyway despite all available evidence.
• Majin Koo is possibly the first major Dragon Ball villain to be fired. The closest KBABZ can think of is when Staff Officer Black killed Commander Red, although in that case he was more fired upon.
  • Robo wonders if the Para-Para Brothers count as having been fired. Vote now in your replies.
• Piccolo's shoes are drawn with black soles, where past appearances did not include them.
• Kaioshin mentions that Namekians are valuable due to their abilities, which we know thanks to Neva, Kami and Dende's ability to make / tinker with Dragon Balls, Dende's healing, and the previous Grand Elder being able to unlock hidden potential.
• Kaioshin also states that Namekians were treated as little more than slaves. This dovetails nicely with Piccolo's line back in Episode 2 that Namekians "don't like to be ruled".
• It's stated that Nahare is Kaioshin's "real" name. However considering how he uses "Shin" as well, it's perhaps more accurate to refer to it as his original or first name instead. To compare, it's rare for anybody to state that Kakarot is Goku's "real" name, even Vegeta.
• The shot of the camera flying through the stars was previously used back in Episode 1, to transition to joining Goku and friends on Earth.
• The existence of "Super Majin Rymus" appears to contradict Zen-O, aka the Omni-King, from Super. Zen-O doesn't appear to be a Majin, and Kaioshin states that Super Majin are "the highest authority in the universe", which as far as is known, Zen-O is in Super. That said, the Super Majin we see in Daima is short, wears pink and yellow, and has a round head with blue skin, and thus looks a lot like Zen-O. It's possible that Rymus created Zen-O in their likeness to rule in their stead (although we must state that this is purely conjecture on KBABZ's part – Robo just considers this another nail in the coffin of Daima and Super being in different continuities).
• As Kanzenshuu explains, Kaioshin uses the word "kata", or "person" when referring to Rymus. This is translated into Toei's subtitles as the "they" pronoun.
• Kaioshin's backstory also reveals that the Demon Realm is the earliest piece of the universe to have ever existed, seemingly pre-dating Other World and all the other Universes.
• The Glind that appears in the upper-left of the shot of Glinds is Gowasu, who in Dragon Ball Super is Zamasu's master in Universe 10. The remaining Glind include Anat (U1), Ogma (U5), Huwa (U6), Nahare (U7), Il (U8), Cae (U11) and Ag (U12), all of whom are also from Super. Universes 2, 3, 4, 9, and 10 are unrepresented in the shot.
• Similarly to Episode 6, Kaioshin's exposition here doesn't mention if Kaioshin are only ever chosen from Glind born from Golden Fruits, which is how it worked when Toriyama first mentioned this lore in interviews.
• The fact that Earthlings and Saiyans were created after their universe might partially explain why Gomah was so surprised at the Saiyan's strength back in Episode 1, since that would mean they're stronger than those from the Demon Realm that predates Universe 7's creation.
• Abura is shown wearing a medallion with two C shapes on a metal bead necklace, bearing great resemblance to the one Bulma is seen wearing throughout Daima.
• For those keeping track, Abura's reign must take place before Boo's rampage with Bibidi, since Nahare was Supreme Kai after Abura forced him and the remaining Glind to leave. It's unknown where "Old Kai" fits in among this, who was East Kaioshin before Nahare was, and eventually trapped in the Z Sword.
• Interestingly, Kaioshin doesn't state that he was chosen as Supreme Kai of a particular cardinal direction (East). He only became just "Supreme Kai" because the North, South and West Kaioshin were killed by Boo.
• Kaioshin states, in the Toei-provided subtitles, that after the Glind's five trees died, they "[emigrated to the universe]". It's important to note that in this context, Toei's subtitles use "universe" without any number as equivalent to "omniverse". It seems that, unlike Toriyama's sketch for the anime staff, the Demon Realm connects to ALL universes, not just Universe 7. This lines up with the Sir Warp scenes in Episode 1, where Gomah had to specify which universe he wanted to go to when departing the Demon Realm.
• Also from Kanzenshuu, in the Japanese dialogue Bulma uses the word "ningen" when asking if everyone is descended from Majin. In Dragon Ball, "ningen" is used to refer to any sentient being, particularly if they are humanoid in some way (such as Saiyans). This is the same as "jinzoningen", which can be translated as "Artificial Humans" (or "Androids" in the Funimation dub). In Super's Future Trunks Arc, "ningen" was often translated to "mortal" to better fit the context of that storyline.
• It's unknown why the Kaioshin doesn't use Dragon Balls to restore their five trees after learning about the Earth and Namek sets in the Boo Arc. It's possible that it's beyond the power of Shen Long and Porunga, or that he also subscribes to the idea that using them disrupts the natural order of things, tragic though it can be sometimes.
• Vegeta is annoyed at Goku's comment about how cramped it is inside Hybis' ship with everyone in it. This is the third time he's gotten irritated at such considerations, having done so in Episodes 2 and 9.

[KBABZ]

Daima continuing the test of only being kinda-sorta in continuity with Super. Or at least, an alternate version of Super. I'm so confused!

[Koitsukai]

I know some want to take Rymus' introduction, or any other thing, as some sort of excuse to shit on DBS, but it is clearly the other way around: they chose DBS-exclusive Glinds instead of the DBZ-existing Glinds.
It is nothing but an expansion on DBS, this new lore. Not to mention Shin tends to be ill-informed about pretty much everything, and we know for a fact he is not aware of Zeno's existence, not even Beerus' IIRC.
Rymus existence does not negate Zeno's, just brings more questions as to how they relate to each other. One could say, since Shin meets Zeno later and will consider him the highest authority, that he sits above Rymus (of course he did not exist back then), however I'm sure the manga will address this situation.

About villains being fired, wouldn't Nappa count as having been fired, too? he got killed right after it, but he was told he wasn't needed anymore by his boss.
The Para-Para brothers seemed fired to me.
Tagoma or whatever his name was in RoF, the guy that got sucked out of the ship... also fired.

[KBABZ]

I know some want to take Rymus' introduction, or any other thing, as some sort of excuse to shit on DBS, but it is clearly the other way around: they chose DBS-exclusive Glinds instead of the DBZ-existing Glinds.
It is nothing but an expansion on DBS, this new lore. Not to mention Shin tends to be ill-informed about pretty much everything, and we know for a fact he is not aware of Zeno's existence, not even Beerus' IIRC.
Rymus existence does not negate Zeno's, just brings more questions as to how they relate to each other. One could say, since Shin meets Zeno later and will consider him the highest authority, that he sits above Rymus (of course he did not exist back then), however I'm sure the manga will address this situation.

I kinda forgot to add this thought in the trivia entry (maybe Extra Trivia for next week?), but surprise reveals about the godly heirarchy due to lack of exposition is hardly new to Dragon Ball. Originally there was just "Kaio", then we learned that he was just South Kaio and there were three more. Then we learned there was the Dai Kaio, and then the Kaioshin, and then the OTHER "cardinal direction" Kaioshin similar to what happened with "Kaio". After that we learn about the God of Destruction and their Angel, and THEN the Omni-King.

What makes Raymus unique is that he's the first retroactive case of this happening in the series, due to where Daima sits in relation to other works.

Personally though I think Daima sits in a sort of "alternate Super" continuity, given how Kaioshin and Kibito defuse this time around, and that the Demon Realm Dragon Balls are stated to be the originals instead of the Super Dragon Balls. Confusing times for sure!

[Robo4900]

Personally, the way I see it is that the lore and worldbuilding from Super is largely being assumed as true, but that the stories themselves don't matter. So like, Gowasu exists, but as far as Zamas is concerned, it's a big ol' shrug. He probably just doesn't exist in this timeline, but if he does, he's just... not relevant.

Similarly, maybe if Goku or Vegeta ever grew a tail they could maybe achieve Super Saiyan 4... But we're never going to find out in this timeline. It doesn't matter to this story, it's not relevant. It may be true, it may not be. Doesn't matter, it's not going to come up.

To put it another way: Daima, Super, GT, and DB Online are different divergent traditions of folklore. The original manga is what they agree on, and there will be some other elements that align, but for the most part the four traditions don't really fit together. (Although KBABZ and I have wondered in the past whether DB Online actually fits with Daima. Probably not, given its version of the "Majin race", but maybe it fits with Super. Hard to say.)

Maybe I'm not making much sense. I guess I'm trying to say... The Aeneid isn't part of the original ancient Greek mythology, it was added by Virgil during Augustus's reign, loosely based on various myths about this (rather obscure) character who popped up in the Iliad and bummed around for a while after the fall of Troy... It's easy to see it as "part 3" of a trilogy starting with the Iliad and the Odyssey (or, arguably, "part 4" with Quintus of Smyrna's PostHomerica inserted as "part 2", bridging Homer's two epics), but it's not from the original tradition. It's a later addition... almost a thousand years later... which uses the same world and characters...
Or, like... Tantalus, right? He was punished by Zeus – but was he punished for chopping up and serving his son to the gods? Or was he punished for stealing Zeus's dog? OR did he simply hold onto Zeus's dog for Pandareus after he stole the dog? These three different tales come from the original Greek myths, and there are commonalities (his punishment, him doing a bad deed, some versions agree on the theft of the golden dog Rhea), but the three stories are incompatible with each other.
Or, how did Achilles die? Was he shot in the heel by Apollo? Or by Paris? Or by Paris, guided by Apollo? Is his heel his only weak spot, or was that just where the arrow that killed him hit him?
Jumping a mythological track, was Mimir a magic head who Odin went to visit and sacrificed an eye to him... or was Mimir one of the Aesir who was killed by the Vanir and then Odin reanimated his severed head using magic herbs?

Ultimately, I would say that the actual events of Daima and Super don't seem to be compatible, even if they continue the trend of taking the same world and telling new stories in it.