4 post-Boo sequels/stories

[Goe]

My favourite direction but no in terms of execution would be GT. Reasons:

DBO was a bit confusing with timelines and so. They did in that way because ir was a game and then we had the chance to travel to past events, but such a story becomes repetitive.

Super made that end of Z has no sense. And was still close to Bu's story

Daima is nice at the moment but too close to Bu's story.

GT was 16 years after Bu's story with teenager Ub trained by Goku during more than a decade, teenager Pan and adult Goten and Trunks. All characters had grown up.

I don't like GT at all due to its execution, and I prefer both Super and Daima by far. However, I admit GT's direction was better, but execution destroyed all.

[Rory]

As others have said so far, it's hard to say without Daima being a complete product. I will say it would have to totally shit the bed at this point for it to not come out on top.
With Online, I just haven't played it so I don't have much of an opinion. I will say though, some of the concepts sound very fanfiction level (Gohan's school of Ki, Goku and Vegeta's final battle etc).

So that leaves GT and Super. They both stink. They're bad shows that I generally don't suggest people watch if they like Dragon Ball or want to give the franchise a taste. GT at least is shorter, has a few great ideas and the final episode is a franchise highlight for me, which puts it on top. It also didn't make me give up on the franchise for like, 8 years... which is a bonus!

[Ronin]

Some people have brought up Neko Majin and I'll add that as my favorite as well. Maybe Goku spends the rest of his life going around and finding strong fighters to train them up so he can fight them. I like it. Sounds very Goku-like and doesn't undo the closure at the end of the manga.

Daima also has some interesting concepts, but it's too early to elaborate on that now. It could potentially be my second or 3rd favorite post-Buu story. Hell maybe even the 1st depending on what happens next.

Super (I've only read the manga and stopped the anime at episode 5) has a few very interesting story ideas, but what killed it for me was the execution, and the fact that it severely retcons the 10 years of peace and turned them into some of the most tumultuous 10 years of their lives instead. They're just dealing with one thing after another with little to no timeskips at all. I don't know if Battle of Gods counts, but it's tied as my favorite of the Super-era story concepts along with Goku Black. And the idea of fighting others from another universe is cool too. That felt like a natural progression after Buu. If you've become the strongest in your universe, there's nowhere left to go besides to another universe. And Moro and Granolah.... I'm indifferent to them. Not great and not terrible. Just alright.

DBO is intersting, but probably has the least amount of substance to it. It's more about creating a setting for your MMO character and I thought the story about what happened to Goku and Vegeta was odd. But one thing I'll give it, along with Neko Majin, is that it doesn't disrupt the closure at the end of the manga. It feels new and fresh in a way most of this other stuff doesn't.

And GT is my least favorite post-Buu thing to happen in terms of story and execution. I think all of the story ideas are weird and make no sense aside from Baby, which I'm indifferent to. Good things I'll say about it is that it's animation is pretty good (from what I remember; haven't watched in a while). The coloring seems off, but otherwise okay. I also like the character design of Super Saiyan 4 and Omega Shenron in particular.

[Goe]

Neko Majin is funny but I think we can't consider it because Vegeta was a Freezer soldier who could turn into SSJ. Then, is a totally different story and can't be considered as a continuation.

[SupremeKai25]

Super (I've only read the manga and stopped the anime at episode 5)

Have you never seen a screenshot of an episode from the FT or ToP arcs?

Because it should be quiet apparent that episode 5 was the random irrelevant outlier, not the norm, when it comes to Super.

[Shintoki]

GT is definitely the most ambitious of the four stories, and as has been said it carries on Dragon Ball's tradition of things always moving forward. Super did the reverse by retaining the status quo.

Goku was more goofy in Super, but in GT in his adult form at least he came across as a wise seasoned warrior. Similarly Vegeta still trains in GT but is at peace with knowing he will never surpass Goku, which shows character development.

It's too early into Daima to make a definitive judgement, but as it stands Goku hasn't developed much, if anything he's acted even more entitled and juvenile than he did in original Dragon Ball. That could all change in the coming episodes however, and I hope it does.

Dragon Ball Online sounds interesting, but sadly it was never going to have the exposure it needed. I may consider playing it if I ever get the chance to visit Korea.

there are fanmade DBO private servers and (i think?) the official servers been shutdown iirc

Neko Majin is funny but I think we can't consider it because Vegeta was a Freezer soldier who could turn into SSJ. Then, is a totally different story and can't be considered as a continuation.

Freeza being alive can actually makes sense now thanks to the ROF Movie (pre-DBS) and how DBS portrayed Freeza and the Saiyans just minding their own business till/if they ever run into each other. While ROF is technically part of the DBS continuity, my point here isn’t about the continuity per se—it’s about the concept. The resurrection of Freeza by his soldiers could’ve as well happened in the Neko Majin continuity too.

This opens up the possibility for scenarios where Freeza and Vegeta’s dynamic shifts from wanting to kill each other to Vegeta temporarily working for Freeza once more. There’s a blank slate for what could’ve happened with Freeza’s revival, which the Neko Majin series could have explored.

It’s also crucial to remember that Neko Majin is a gag manga—gags, even when they’re semi-nonsensical, are prioritized over story rationality because they’re meant to make people laugh, not provoke thought. This is especially evident when Toriyama says that Neko Majins exist, meaning they’re out there running around somewhere. But that doesn’t justify how some random humanoid-like cat species can suddenly leap to SSJ++ levels out of nowhere.

This is even more intriguing when you consider Freeza’s son being introduced to the mix. It could really put Freeza in a bind if he ever tries to pull any funny business since his kid could get targeted—seriously, talk about a fucking pickle! a funny pickle! hhhhhhhh

[Goe]

Vegeta has been reedimed so he wouldn't work under someone as evil as Freezer. Moreover, his pride doesn't allow him to work under anyone weaker than him (and he could defeat Freezer in Super). However, in Neko Majin he said he went to Earth due to "Freezer's orders".

Vegeta could cooperate with Freezer if needed, but not under his orders, like in Neko Majin.

[Shintoki]

Vegeta has been reedimed so he wouldn't work under someone as evil as Freezer. Moreover, his pride doesn't allow him to work under anyone weaker than him (and he could defeat Freezer in Super). However, in Neko Majin he said he went to Earth due to "Freezer's orders".

Vegeta could cooperate with Freezer if needed, but not under his orders, like in Neko Majin.

you've got earthling cats turning super cat mode and pushing a post EOZ goku to using SSJ and still wanna take the narrative quite seriously?

majin cat is like arale, whenever they are invovled the story gets warped around whatever gag's going on

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heck, this is a post EOZ story yet vegeta doesn't recognize earth when he lands (cuz gag logic)

don't forget this is a Freeza from a different continuity so we don't know the inner details of what happened, especially when freeza's son is in the equation

oh, and he can't defeat freeza in DBS, last canon thing that ever come out with toriyama's involvement had him taken out in one blow by freeza.

[Goe]

you've got earthling cats turning super cat mode and pushing a post EOZ goku to using SSJ and still wanna take the narrative quite seriously?

Of course not. But that's not the point. The point is someone said something about Neko Majin story being the best direction of a DBZ continuation and is not. Because despite of the funny gags, story is inconsistent with canon DB. That's all.

oh, and he can't defeat freeza in DBS, last canon thing that ever come out with toriyama's involvement had him taken out in one blow by freeza.

In DBS Freezer's saga, SSJB Vegeta could end him but they took time back so he didn't. I don't know when he was taken out in one blow because I haven't followed DBS full story. When did happened? Thank you

[Bloodthroe]

So far, I am really enjoying Daima the best. It remembers what makes Dragon Ball great, and, that is the characters. DBS and GT really dropped the ball and cast aside all the characters, except for Goku and Vegeta. And just introducing a new big bad villain and waiting for the heroes to unlock a new transformation or fuse to beat him gets really stale after a while. I don't know much about DBO, I'm afraid.

[Zephyr]

Of course not. But that's not the point. The point is someone said something about Neko Majin story being the best direction of a DBZ continuation and is not. Because despite of the funny gags, story is inconsistent with canon DB. That's all.

If plotholes and inconsistencies are disqualifying, then that's bad news for every ostensible sequel to DB. And also DB itself, especially if the plotholes and inconsistencies are rooted in gags; for my favorite example see: Kuririn beating Bacterian because he cannot smell, and then him sniffing a diamond in the next story arc. But if the Vegeta stuff from Chapter 3 really is a step too far, then replace "Neko Majin" in general with "Neko Majin Z: Chapter 5" specifically. Still the only comic drawn by Toriyama that shows what Goku and Oob are up to after Dragon Ball's ending.

[AliTheZombie13]

"I don't like inconsistencies and plot holes in Dragon Ball." - Someone, probably.

...Do you hate all of Dragon Ball, then? Or only the entries you specifically didn't personally enjoy?

[Shintoki]

make it easy on the other guy, fellas.

you've got earthling cats turning super cat mode and pushing a post EOZ goku to using SSJ and still wanna take the narrative quite seriously?

Of course not. But that's not the point. The point is someone said something about Neko Majin story being the best direction of a DBZ continuation and is not. Because despite of the funny gags, story is inconsistent with canon DB. That's all.

oh, and he can't defeat freeza in DBS, last canon thing that ever come out with toriyama's involvement had him taken out in one blow by freeza.

I don't know when he was taken out in one blow because I haven't followed DBS full story. When did happened? Thank you

it was in chapter 87 of the dbs manga during the gas arc when black freeza showed up.and gags triumps over canon for toriyama, why u think he still made neko majin post EOZ despite all the ''canon inconsistent'' gags with neko majin?

[Goe]

Sorry for the delay.

Zephyr: I agree about DB being full of inconsistences. However, the example of Krillin's being able to smell or not doesn't change the plot so much. Vegeta working for Freezer does.

Shintoki: I didn't know that. I am an old school fan. I read Super manga until the survival tournament only. Reason was I felt dissapointed with DBSB and I stopped following Super. Due to that, I may be wrong about some points. However, I don't still think Vegeta would work for Freezer again. He has a big pride but can be submissive when he is afraid, for example he cooked for Beerus for that reason. However, he is a good guy now and wouldn't serve in a mass murderer army. I think he could coperate with Freezer in the same way Goku did to win Jiren. But since I don't know so much about Super (I didn't know anythingse since Moro, and even I followed the previous sagas, I don't remember them ad well as DB and DBZ), I may be wrong.

[Shintoki]

Sorry for the delay.

Zephyr: I agree about DB being full of inconsistences. However, the example of Krillin's being able to smell or not doesn't change the plot so much. Vegeta working for Freezer does.

Shintoki: I didn't know that. I am an old school fan. I read Super manga until the survival tournament only. Reason was I felt dissapointed with DBSB and I stopped following Super. Due to that, I may be wrong about some points. However, I don't still think Vegeta would work for Freezer again. He has a big pride but can be submissive when he is afraid, for example he cooked for Beerus for that reason. However, he is a good guy now and wouldn't serve in a mass murderer army. I think he could coperate with Freezer in the same way Goku did to win Jiren. But since I don't know so much about Super (I didn't know anythingse since Moro, and even I followed the previous sagas, I don't remember them ad well as DB and DBZ), I may be wrong.

again, if you re-read (or read for first in case u never did) neko majin then you'd find how vegeta doesn't even recognize earth when he lands by it

vegeta then picks up a flip phone and pretends he's talking to someone to exit the fight gracefully after finding out neko majin can enter a super mode as well



ITS ALL A GAG, you're not meant to take seriously cuz THIS IS A EOZ VEGETA and yet he pretends he's never been to earth or that he's only limited to SSJ1 cuz it's all written that way for a GAG

just think of it as the characters playing around for the gag sake like in the arale episode in DBS. it's just fun giggling machinations to chuckle the viewer

[Majin Buu]

My default answer is the secret fifth option of Neko Majin Z. With Toriyama's unfortunate passing, it now ultimately stands as the only work that takes place in the Dragon World, takes place after Dragon Ball's ending, and was created by the same guy who made Dragon Ball, in the same medium that he made Dragon Ball. It is the closest thing to an authentic "sequel" we will ever get. It being just a short little series of gag stories is honestly extremely fitting, helping to bookend Dragon Ball with zany silliness even more than the Boo arc did. It also confirms the obvious: that Goku (a man who can teleport) leaving with Oob doesn't entail him "abandoning his family", for those who were seriously concerned about that.

This (More Neko Majin Z recognition please).

Especially your last point there that undercuts the whole "Goku abandoned his family" talking point from people who hate the manga's ending: We've got a post-Buu story right here that shows him nonchalantly visiting his family (complete with the implication that the kid he "abandoned" his family for is outright living with said family now to boot).

[Goe]

Shintoki: I read Neko Majin some years ago but this is the first time I see a color edition. I want to buy it!!!

About your last post, I agree with you and that was my point since the beggining: Neko Majin Vegeta contradicts EOZ Vegeta, so Neko Majin couldn't be considered as a posible post-Z continuation. However, I didn't remember clearly that Vegeta didn't recognize Earth when he arrives. I remembered he was still a Freezer soldier and could use SSJ.

Now I have received this information, my previous thought is stronger: Neko Majin can't be considered as a Z continuation because Vegeta's story is totally different. Main reason of changes is Neko Majin being a parody, but in any case, Neko Majin couldn't be considered as a continuation because strongly contradicts DB manga.

[AliTheZombie13]

You may have whatever opinion you want of Goku's characterization and whether he's truly a good person or not, but he was clearly written as an uncaring jackass in the manga's ending. Whatever semblance of goodwill on Goku's part with the entire "I'm training him to save the Earth in the future" was immediately remedied by, "Nah, that's not it, you just want to groom this kid to fight you in the future."

It's the exact same situation as Namek, when Goku was given a free pass to return to Earth and his family, but instead decided that spending time on space training was more fun. It's Toriyama going "He's not a good person, but he's so PURE about his love for fighting that he might as well be."

[Majin Buu]

You may have whatever opinion you want of Goku's characterization and whether he's truly a good person or not, but he was clearly written as an uncaring jackass in the manga's ending.

And? How does this refute what I or Zephyr said?

(Since you're clearly responding to sentiments we both expressed.)

Whatever semblance of goodwill on Goku's part with the entire "I'm training him to save the Earth in the future" was immediately remedied by, "Nah, that's not it, you just want to groom this kid to fight you in the future."

That's what happened in the manga's ending, yes. And?

It's the exact same situation as Namek, when Goku was given a free pass to return to Earth and his family, but instead decided that spending time on space training was more fun. It's Toriyama going "He's not a good person, but he's so PURE about his love for fighting that he might as well be."

Thing is, neither Zephyr or I said this means he's a good person though, just that Neko Majin Z shows that he didn't actually abandon his family like detractors of the manga's ending like to say.

That being said, I do view Goku as an ultimately good but flawed person, but I know you know my views on that because I've said as much to you before (and I also know you don't agree with how I view the character so I'm really not interested in debating that with you yet again).

[JulieYBM]

I think that Toriyama has an unfortunate desire to play the role of edgelord, and that means trying to frame Son Gokuu as this figure of irresponsibility—perhaps because he himself regretted settling down, I don't know—but I think it's pretty evident by the way that people like to constantly discussion how Gokuu is kind of a shitty guy in general that the decision he made was one that he made without really considering any consequences. Wow, that was a run-on sentence.

Anyway, I think this shit gets annoying, I kind of really hate the ending of the manga and think that it's just boring and frankly I don't think the world needs more of "cishet guy makes his self-insert really shitty because that's what he wishes he could do because he doesn't need to reflect on anything ever."

Yeah, that's a lot of speculation on my part, but also Toriyama kind of just comes off as an ass in a lot of his interviews, so I'm going to roll with it.

I much prefer the idea that Gokuu just teleported home later that day, mostly because "Gokuu's an asshole" is just boring. Asshole men are a dime a dozen.