Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[SupremeKai25]

What makes Gowasu and the other Kais, Super characters in particular? They debuted there for us viewers, yes. But in the DBverse, they should exist in every single series, GT included. Same goes for the GoDs, Angels and Zeno.

Rymus didn't appear in DBS, but he should still be the one who made 12 Universes according to the lore, even in there.

Okay this is just ridiculous. Y'all would never make an argument like "What makes Baby Vegeta a GT character? He just debuted there for us viewers, it means nothing."

[Thani]

I mean, that's just how multiverses work. Super can still happen after Daima, it just would be a version of DBS where the events of Daima also happened, as opposed to the series we followed where supposedly it didn't.

[Xeogran]

Okay this is just ridiculous. Y'all would never make an argument like "What makes Baby Vegeta a GT character? He just debuted there for us viewers, it means nothing."

But theoretically there can be Dr. Myuu in DBS who makes a new version of Baby. The creators aren't bound by series like the fanbase seems to think.
While replying I also just happened to remember that we even already have a Tsufurian in Universe 2.

[Galan007]

Personally, I just look at all of the Z movies, anime filler scenes, GT, Xenoverse, etc. under the same lens these days: ie. While said works may not be 'canon', they still act as a massive resource-bank for the DB staff to pull concepts/ideas from, so they can be potentially inserted into primary canon(essentially how "Legends" material is treated in the Star Wars-verse.) That's my 2 cents, at least...

As for the canonicity of Daima specifically: I guess my question is- why wouldn't it be canon to DBS(I'm talking verifiably/unambiguously/incontrovertibly/explicitly non-canon)? Sure there are plotholes-a-plenty, but that certainly isn't new to DB as a whole, and not enough to render the series non-canon(to DBS) in and of itself... Right?

And who knows? Said plotholes and inconsistencies might all end up getting resolved by Daima's conclusion (albeit haphazardly) anyway. This is a bridge we'll just have to wait and cross when we come to it, me thinks. /shrug

[Hulk10]

It’s not complicated at all. Gowasu and the other Kais appearing in a flashback just acknowledges that Super exists in Daima’s framework, meaning that Super is something that could follow Daima. But that doesn’t mean Daima and Super share a single, uninterrupted continuity.

Dragon Ball has a history of running multiple parallel continuities. There are contradictions between Daima and Super, just like there are contradictions between the Super anime, manga, and movies. Akio Iyoku even hinted at this during Super Hero’s debut, suggesting that Dragon Ball has multiple valid canonical timelines.

Instead of treating it as one big, linear story, it’s more accurate to view it as different takes on the same universe, each exploring different ideas. That’s not ‘over-complicated’, it’s just how Dragon Ball has always operated.

Mm good point.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

There's something I wanted to say ever since July of 2019 when the Galactic Prisoners debuted..
Saganbo must have been anywhere between Guldo to Zarbon to be considered "insanely powerful" for the Galactic Patrol.

Vegeta only mentioned Trunks as he's merely a child and as he won't expect the Galactic Patrol to know whom the other Human Z-Fighters are. It's obvious that he didn't mean that Saganbo is in the millions.

All of Saganbo's lackeys fought the Z-Fighters after they have got empowered by Moro's dark magic. That wasn't their original power level.

In my opinion the original power levels of Moro's henchmen were:

1. OG-73i: 100,000
2. Saganbo: 27,000
3. Yuzun: 19,000
- Monster form: 25,000
4. Bikkura Quoitor: 20,000
5. Zauyogi: 17,000
6. Yunba: 14,000
7. Shimorekka: 9,500
8-10. Miza, Iwaza and Kikaza: 7,000 each
- Fusion: 21,000
11. Cranberry: 1,200

[TobyS]

How strong is the fused Namek that tried to fight Moro.

I feel like narritively it makes sense if he is above Namek Final form Freeza, I like the idea of "we ain't falling for this shit again" but how do you think he fares against like the androids or Goku from Namek, or Cell.

A hard ceiling has gotta be Boo, maybe even SPC otherwise this would sure have been considered before.

[Hugo Boss]

Considering how strong Saonel and Pirina were in the TV anime (able to rival even Ultimate Gohan while fighting together), it makes sense that this warrior would be significantly above Cell. He obviously wasn’t a match for Moro, but that doesn’t mean he was weak.

[ZombieVito]

How many Namekians end up fusing?

[Koitsukai]

It's unclear, it is said the strongest namekians from the villages have been merging, then we see three becoming one, and then four more join that one namekian. I guess, two or three namekians per village? I doubt they have more than 3 strong guys per village.
How many villages are there? ten? fifteen? so, maybe 30-40 namekians should've combined to be the Savior. Although, we have no idea how many namekians there are living on New Namek.
How strong was each namekian? probably weaker than Nail who was quite the powerhouse. Your run of the mill namekian fighter back in Old Namek was barely above 3k, IIRC. However, I don't remember if that was filler or in the manga.

It's probably a huge number, and seeing how Nail and Piccolo were able to match 2nd form Freeza, the best of every village -while being weaker than Nail and Piccolo- probably should be strong enough to fight some Buu form, I guess.

We also don't know how much stronger they get, there is a misconception about the merger being 5x, which makes sense with Nail and Piccolo, even though that was not what the manga stated.

[ZombieVito]

There's really no way of knowing. Hopefully Toei gives us something if they animate this.

My take is that this is almost 20 years after Freeza invaded them so I can see them training so that they can fend off another invasion. I don't see a problem with some Namekians reaching Nail's level or even surpassing it, especially since some of them had 10,000 in filler so the end fusion could be stronger than Namek Freeza.

Cell and Boo though? I can't see it unless many of them got into the millions and that's very unlikely considering Granolah and Gas didn't before their wishes.

[Mystic-han]

There's something I wanted to say ever since July of 2019 when the Galactic Prisoners debuted..
Saganbo must have been anywhere between Guldo to Zarbon to be considered "insanely powerful" for the Galactic Patrol.

Vegeta only mentioned Trunks as he's merely a child and as he won't expect the Galactic Patrol to know whom the other Human Z-Fighters are. It's obvious that he didn't mean that Saganbo is in the millions.

All of Saganbo's lackeys fought the Z-Fighters after they have got empowered by Moro's dark magic. That wasn't their original power level.

In my opinion the original power levels of Moro's henchmen were:

1. OG-73i: 100,000
2. Saganbo: 27,000
3. Yuzun: 19,000
- Monster form: 25,000
4. Bikkura Quoitor: 20,000
5. Zauyogi: 17,000
6. Yunba: 14,000
7. Shimorekka: 9,500
8-10. Miza, Iwaza and Kikaza: 7,000 each
- Fusion: 21,000
11. Cranberry: 1,200

They were strong enough that

_ Galactic patrol couldn't handle them , meaning they are above adult Saiyans from Planet Vegeta level
_ the heeters hired them in the past to do their dirty work ,

_ Freeza planet trade know about their bad reputation and didn't want to get involved with them

_ 7-3 owner let them get him " on purpose" so 7-3 will got good combat Date

They are meant to be a powerful space gang similar to Ginyu and avocado/Shisami

[Mystic-han]

How strong is the fused Namek that tried to fight Moro.

I feel like narritively it makes sense if he is above Namek Final form Freeza, I like the idea of "we ain't falling for this shit again" but how do you think he fares against like the androids or Goku from Namek, or Cell.

A hard ceiling has gotta be Boo, maybe even SPC otherwise this would sure have been considered before.

Nail was the only warrior in his era and he was 40k , as strong as the Ginyu force outside of captain Ginyu

The namekain knows about Kid Buu and felt his power so they should know good deal about the guy who beat the 2 guy's that Defeated kid Buu

The warriors that fused on panel weren't the only ones , Moro was rampaging through Namek for 3 days

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

There's something I wanted to say ever since July of 2019 when the Galactic Prisoners debuted..
Saganbo must have been anywhere between Guldo to Zarbon to be considered "insanely powerful" for the Galactic Patrol.

Vegeta only mentioned Trunks as he's merely a child and as he won't expect the Galactic Patrol to know whom the other Human Z-Fighters are. It's obvious that he didn't mean that Saganbo is in the millions.

All of Saganbo's lackeys fought the Z-Fighters after they have got empowered by Moro's dark magic. That wasn't their original power level.

In my opinion the original power levels of Moro's henchmen were:

1. OG-73i: 100,000
2. Saganbo: 27,000
3. Yuzun: 19,000
- Monster form: 25,000
4. Bikkura Quoitor: 20,000
5. Zauyogi: 17,000
6. Yunba: 14,000
7. Shimorekka: 9,500
8-10. Miza, Iwaza and Kikaza: 7,000 each
- Fusion: 21,000
11. Cranberry: 1,200

They were strong enough that

_ Galactic patrol couldn't handle them , meaning they are above adult Saiyans from Planet Vegeta level
_ the heeters hired them in the past to do their dirty work ,

_ Freeza planet trade know about their bad reputation and didn't want to get involved with them

_ 7-3 owner let them get him " on purpose" so 7-3 will got good combat Date

They are meant to be a powerful space gang similar to Ginyu and avocado/Shisami

1. The common Galactic Patrol soldiers/agents are weaker than Nappa.
2. The Heeters seemed weaker than the Ginyu Force until Toyotaro just mentioned he considers the Heeters to be above them. Probably to market/hype the Granolah Arc.
3. Frieza referred to not wanting to get messy with the Galactic Prisoners as a whole, not specifically Saganbo's Galactic Brigade, as convicts are "inferior" and tangling with them can harm his reputation.
4. Goichi never allowed 7-3 to be snatched, it got stolen by Saganbo and co.
5. No, see #2. And Shisami was comparable to Zarbon and Dodoria, meaning he was below 30,000 originally.

[Mystic-han]

There's something I wanted to say ever since July of 2019 when the Galactic Prisoners debuted..
Saganbo must have been anywhere between Guldo to Zarbon to be considered "insanely powerful" for the Galactic Patrol.

Vegeta only mentioned Trunks as he's merely a child and as he won't expect the Galactic Patrol to know whom the other Human Z-Fighters are. It's obvious that he didn't mean that Saganbo is in the millions.

All of Saganbo's lackeys fought the Z-Fighters after they have got empowered by Moro's dark magic. That wasn't their original power level.

In my opinion the original power levels of Moro's henchmen were:

1. OG-73i: 100,000
2. Saganbo: 27,000
3. Yuzun: 19,000
- Monster form: 25,000
4. Bikkura Quoitor: 20,000
5. Zauyogi: 17,000
6. Yunba: 14,000
7. Shimorekka: 9,500
8-10. Miza, Iwaza and Kikaza: 7,000 each
- Fusion: 21,000
11. Cranberry: 1,200

They were strong enough that

_ Galactic patrol couldn't handle them , meaning they are above adult Saiyans from Planet Vegeta level
_ the heeters hired them in the past to do their dirty work ,

_ Freeza planet trade know about their bad reputation and didn't want to get involved with them

_ 7-3 owner let them get him " on purpose" so 7-3 will got good combat Date

They are meant to be a powerful space gang similar to Ginyu and avocado/Shisami

1. The common Galactic Patrol soldiers/agents are weaker than Nappa.
2. The Heeters seemed weaker than the Ginyu Force until Toyotaro just mentioned he considers the Heeters to be above them. Probably to market/hype the Granolah Arc.
3. Frieza referred to not wanting to get messy with the Galactic Prisoners as a whole, not specifically Saganbo's Galactic Brigade, as convicts are "inferior" and tangling with them can harm his reputation.
4. Goichi never allowed 7-3 to be snatched, it got stolen by Saganbo and co.
5. No, see #2. And Shisami was comparable to Zarbon and Dodoria, meaning he was below 30,000 originally.

Let's break it point by point

1_ it's stronger than adult Saiyans making them over 1000 for a start
2_ nothing to debunks what Toyotaru said , Gas was Weaker 45 year's ago and he's specifically said to train harshly and increase his power after Bardock accident while nothing said about the rest of the heeters training or powering up
3_ most of the prisoners were part of Sagnabo army , the ones who weren't deflected like the 3 siblings 4_ checked , apparently it was an error translation that was fixed , he was apparently stolen
5_ shisami like the Ginyu force was originally supposed to be a mercenary that Joined freeza force

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

They were strong enough that

_ Galactic patrol couldn't handle them , meaning they are above adult Saiyans from Planet Vegeta level
_ the heeters hired them in the past to do their dirty work ,

_ Freeza planet trade know about their bad reputation and didn't want to get involved with them

_ 7-3 owner let them get him " on purpose" so 7-3 will got good combat Date

They are meant to be a powerful space gang similar to Ginyu and avocado/Shisami

1. The common Galactic Patrol soldiers/agents are weaker than Nappa.
2. The Heeters seemed weaker than the Ginyu Force until Toyotaro just mentioned he considers the Heeters to be above them. Probably to market/hype the Granolah Arc.
3. Frieza referred to not wanting to get messy with the Galactic Prisoners as a whole, not specifically Saganbo's Galactic Brigade, as convicts are "inferior" and tangling with them can harm his reputation.
4. Goichi never allowed 7-3 to be snatched, it got stolen by Saganbo and co.
5. No, see #2. And Shisami was comparable to Zarbon and Dodoria, meaning he was below 30,000 originally.

Let's break it point by point

1_ it's stronger than adult Saiyans making them over 1000 for a start
2_ nothing to debunks what Toyotaru said , Gas was Weaker 45 year's ago and he's specifically said to train harshly and increase his power after Bardock accident while nothing said about the rest of the heeters training or powering up
3_ most of the prisoners were part of Sagnabo army , the ones who weren't deflected like the 3 siblings 4_ checked , apparently it was an error translation that was fixed , he was apparently stolen
5_ shisami like the Ginyu force was originally supposed to be a mercenary that Joined freeza force

I'll be honest with you, your posts seem to be merely for trolling and not an honest discussion.

The common Galactic Patrol member is weaker than Nappa. I doubt they could stand up to a Saibaman.

The only members of Saganbo's crew were: Zauyogi, Yuzun, Yunba, Bikkura Quoitur, Shimorekka, 7-3, Miza, Iwaza and Kikaza. The rest of the prisoners were not related to them.

Shisami's Volume 'F' biography was never used, as he was always shown to be a Frieza Force underling of Sorbet. He was not on the same weight-class of the Ginyu Force, only at Zarbon's at best.

[Yuji]

The Metalman definitely has to be stronger if Magetta is of any indication. They didn't note Magetta was any stronger than the average Metalman.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

The Metalman definitely has to be stronger if Magetta is of any indication. They didn't note Magetta was any stronger than the average Metalman.

They are not from the same universe, only of the same race - it could be that the Universe 6 Metalmen are tremendously more powerful than their Universe 7 counterparts, just like how the U6 Saiyans are stronger than Namek Frieza as if it's nothing special. Bikkura Quoitur was for sure weaker than the Ginyu Force before Moro empowered him with the life force of others.

[Mystic-han]

1. The common Galactic Patrol soldiers/agents are weaker than Nappa.
2. The Heeters seemed weaker than the Ginyu Force until Toyotaro just mentioned he considers the Heeters to be above them. Probably to market/hype the Granolah Arc.
3. Frieza referred to not wanting to get messy with the Galactic Prisoners as a whole, not specifically Saganbo's Galactic Brigade, as convicts are "inferior" and tangling with them can harm his reputation.
4. Goichi never allowed 7-3 to be snatched, it got stolen by Saganbo and co.
5. No, see #2. And Shisami was comparable to Zarbon and Dodoria, meaning he was below 30,000 originally.

Let's break it point by point

1_ it's stronger than adult Saiyans making them over 1000 for a start
2_ nothing to debunks what Toyotaru said , Gas was Weaker 45 year's ago and he's specifically said to train harshly and increase his power after Bardock accident while nothing said about the rest of the heeters training or powering up
3_ most of the prisoners were part of Sagnabo army , the ones who weren't deflected like the 3 siblings 4_ checked , apparently it was an error translation that was fixed , he was apparently stolen
5_ shisami like the Ginyu force was originally supposed to be a mercenary that Joined freeza force

I'll be honest with you, your posts seem to be merely for trolling and not an honest discussion.

The common Galactic Patrol member is weaker than Nappa. I doubt they could stand up to a Saibaman.

The only members of Saganbo's crew were: Zauyogi, Yuzun, Yunba, Bikkura Quoitur, Shimorekka, 7-3, Miza, Iwaza and Kikaza. The rest of the prisoners were not related to them.

Shisami's Volume 'F' biography was never used, as he was always shown to be a Frieza Force underling of Sorbet. He was not on the same weight-class of the Ginyu Force, only at Zarbon's at best.

Trolling? Is that what you got from my take? Trolling?

[DBZ Macky]

Who do you guys think the Top 10 strongest mortals are? Dead or alive.
IMO:

1. Black Freeza (Took out Gas, Goku and Vegeta in one blow, ‘nuff said)

2. Broly (Stated by Toyotaro and Uchida that Goku hasn’t surpassed him. I guess that’s because Broly got stronger?)

3. MUI Goku w. Energy Avatar (TUI alone should be enough for most of the characters below)

4. UE Vegeta (has sliiightly surpassed Goku by now, eking out a win against him, albeit it was played for laughs. Unfortunately for him, Ultra Instinct is much better than Ultra Ego when used to its utmost potential)

5. Beast Gohan (Seems about equal to MUI Goku without the giant avatar but also has the Makankosappo)

6. Zombie Gas (Needed TUI and/or the Giant Avatar to finally get overpowered. Could even win against Gohan and Vegeta if he actually trained to get this strong)

7. Granolah w. Dual Cerealian Eyes (I think he could defeat Cell easily, being a sniper and all)

8. Cell Max (It was stated that even Goku and Vegeta might not be able to defeat him. This most likely makes Cell stronger than Moro and MUI Goku at the time since everyone was around to see it unlike the Granolah arc which didn’t have anything to do with the other Z-fighters if my memory serves me right)

9. UI Moro Merged w. The Earth (It took Goku using the giant avatar to combat him)

10. Orange Piccolo (Was stated to be on the same level as Goku who has far surpassed his Ultra Instinct from the Tournament of Power. So he should be stronger than Jiren imo)