Dragon Ball Super with only Super Saiyan God as its God Form - How would you write it?

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

I'm in the camp of people who can't stand these "flashy" hair dyes/recoloured Super Saiyan forms and the other color swapping transformations that DBS have been throwing at us every story arc. Nor of the nostalgia dependency and the Frieza rehashing cycle.

Let's say that Super Saiyan God is the only God Form introduced to us, since Battle of Gods to the end of Super. How does the story continues from there?

[SupremeKai25]

It would almost certainly be worse, and the entire storyline of the Future Trunks and ToP sagas would have to be rewritten, since the Future Trunks saga revolves around Zamasu discovering his own version of Super Saiyan Blue while the ToP saga revolves around Goku's first usage of Ultra Instinct.

It would essentially be an entirely different story, with hardly anything reminiscent of the old one except maybe some characters.

I mean, you're saying that two of the most important and story-heavy forms in the entire franchise (SSB and UI) should be removed, so... It's like saying "how would Z be rewritten if Super Saiyan was removed?"

[Vegeta th3 4th]

It continues the exact same way, as Blue brought nothing of plot significance to the story.

[Yuji]

It continues exactly the same (as the manga at least). Blue is basically the standard form used from RF to now. The series would need Ultra Instinct and the other "Ultra" forms as a new plateau after so many arcs, but if you replace Blue with God in the manga nothing really changes.

For as much flak as Blue gets, it is one of the most important forms in the series in terms of usage, almost right up there with Super Saiyan.

[SupremeKai25]

It continues exactly the same (as the manga at least). Blue is basically the standard form used from RF to now. The series would need Ultra Instinct and the other "Ultra" forms as a new plateau after so many arcs, but if you replace Blue with God in the manga nothing really changes.

For as much flak as Blue gets, it is one of the most important forms in the series in terms of usage, almost right up there with Super Saiyan.

In the manga, Super Saiyan Rosé is Zamasu's version of Super Saiyan Blue.

So, if you remove Super Saiyan Blue, you also have to remove Rosé and then the entire plot of that saga changes. As the two forms are explicitly stated to be connected (stated explicitly), you cannot have one without the other.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

It continues exactly the same (as the manga at least). Blue is basically the standard form used from RF to now. The series would need Ultra Instinct and the other "Ultra" forms as a new plateau after so many arcs, but if you replace Blue with God in the manga nothing really changes.

For as much flak as Blue gets, it is one of the most important forms in the series in terms of usage, almost right up there with Super Saiyan.

In the manga, Super Saiyan Rosé is Zamasu's version of Super Saiyan Blue.

So, if you remove Super Saiyan Blue, you also have to remove Rosé and then the entire plot of that saga changes. As the two forms are explicitly stated to be connected (stated explicitly), you cannot have one without the other.

I'm against the existence of "Goku Black" (yet another evil Goku after Captain Ginyu, Turles and Bardock).
Besides, if Super Saiyan Rosè is merely Zamasu's version of a God Form, let it be Super Saiyan God.
About the Tournament of Power, Jiren will be defeated by a joint effort of Super Saiyan God Goku and Majin Buu which is also iconic (Goku and the strongest villain from Z).

[Yuji]

It continues exactly the same (as the manga at least). Blue is basically the standard form used from RF to now. The series would need Ultra Instinct and the other "Ultra" forms as a new plateau after so many arcs, but if you replace Blue with God in the manga nothing really changes.

For as much flak as Blue gets, it is one of the most important forms in the series in terms of usage, almost right up there with Super Saiyan.

In the manga, Super Saiyan Rosé is Zamasu's version of Super Saiyan Blue.

So, if you remove Super Saiyan Blue, you also have to remove Rosé and then the entire plot of that saga changes. As the two forms are explicitly stated to be connected (stated explicitly), you cannot have one without the other.

Rosé becomes Super Saiyan God with pink hair. It's not really that much of a gotcha. Or fine even, Black gets an even better form than Goku and Vegeta and they must surpass and defeat him by other means such as strategy rather than brute strength.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

It would essentially be an entirely different story, with hardly anything reminiscent of the old one except maybe some characters.

Name a single thing that would be different if Blue didn't exist.

If you remove Super Saiyan Blue, you also have to remove Rosé and then the entire plot of that saga changes.

Rose just becomes Black's version of SsjG instead. You literally just change one line of dialogue.

[SupremeKai25]

It continues exactly the same (as the manga at least). Blue is basically the standard form used from RF to now. The series would need Ultra Instinct and the other "Ultra" forms as a new plateau after so many arcs, but if you replace Blue with God in the manga nothing really changes.

For as much flak as Blue gets, it is one of the most important forms in the series in terms of usage, almost right up there with Super Saiyan.

In the manga, Super Saiyan Rosé is Zamasu's version of Super Saiyan Blue.

So, if you remove Super Saiyan Blue, you also have to remove Rosé and then the entire plot of that saga changes. As the two forms are explicitly stated to be connected (stated explicitly), you cannot have one without the other.

I'm against the existence of "Goku Black" (yet another evil Goku after Captain Ginyu, Turles and Bardock).
Besides, if Super Saiyan Rosè is merely Zamasu's version of a God Form, let it be Super Saiyan God.
About the Tournament of Power, Jiren will be defeated by a joint effort of Super Saiyan God Goku and Majin Buu which is also iconic (Goku and the strongest villain from Z).

Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your writings present obvious gaping holes. If Zamasu doesn't have Saiyan biology, he cannot access God forms, nor pose a serious threat to the Saiyans, as the Kaioshin were left in the dust in the Buu saga. Furthermore, if Ultra Instinct didn't exist, then it wouldn't make any sense for Goku to train with Whis since Whis does not know Super Saiyan God and cannot teach Goku anything in that regard.

Also, I find your point to be double-standards when it comes to villains. You want Majin Buu to defeat Jiren because he's an iconic villain from Z, but then you want to remove Black even though he's the most iconic villain from the modern era, yet following your very own logic you would keep Black because he's iconic.

It continues exactly the same (as the manga at least). Blue is basically the standard form used from RF to now. The series would need Ultra Instinct and the other "Ultra" forms as a new plateau after so many arcs, but if you replace Blue with God in the manga nothing really changes.

For as much flak as Blue gets, it is one of the most important forms in the series in terms of usage, almost right up there with Super Saiyan.

In the manga, Super Saiyan Rosé is Zamasu's version of Super Saiyan Blue.

So, if you remove Super Saiyan Blue, you also have to remove Rosé and then the entire plot of that saga changes. As the two forms are explicitly stated to be connected (stated explicitly), you cannot have one without the other.

Rosé becomes Super Saiyan God with pink hair. It's not really that much of a gotcha. Or fine even, Black gets an even better form than Goku and Vegeta and they must surpass and defeat him by other means such as strategy rather than brute strength.

Rosé cannot be Super Saiyan God since it has the spiky Super Saiyan hair, not the base form hair. Also, Black's Super Saiyan God state is supposed to be his normal form since he's a god with the body of a Saiyan, so he is perpetually in a Super Saiyan God state (which explains why his first transformation is SSB, and why his Base form is so powerful). Black can't have SSG because, by his very backstory, he is already a god. You are basically altering who Black fundamentally is.

"Black gets an even better form than Goku", I thought you wanted to remove recolours, yet now you're suggesting that Black should get another recolour different than Rosé.

Too many writing changes, too many alterations. I would not recognise the finished product at all.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

In the manga, Super Saiyan Rosé is Zamasu's version of Super Saiyan Blue.

So, if you remove Super Saiyan Blue, you also have to remove Rosé and then the entire plot of that saga changes. As the two forms are explicitly stated to be connected (stated explicitly), you cannot have one without the other.

I'm against the existence of "Goku Black" (yet another evil Goku after Captain Ginyu, Turles and Bardock).
Besides, if Super Saiyan Rosè is merely Zamasu's version of a God Form, let it be Super Saiyan God.
About the Tournament of Power, Jiren will be defeated by a joint effort of Super Saiyan God Goku and Majin Buu which is also iconic (Goku and the strongest villain from Z).

Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your writings present obvious gaping holes. If Zamasu doesn't have Saiyan biology, he cannot access God forms, nor pose a serious threat to the Saiyans, as the Kaioshin were left in the dust in the Buu saga. Furthermore, if Ultra Instinct didn't exist, then it wouldn't make any sense for Goku to train with Whis since Whis does not know Super Saiyan God and cannot teach Goku anything in that regard.

Also, I find your point to be double-standards when it comes to villains. You want Majin Buu to defeat Jiren because he's an iconic villain from Z, but then you want to remove Black even though he's the most iconic villain from the modern era, yet following your very own logic you would keep Black because he's iconic.

Slow it down with the crusade for a cartoon character, buddy. Now, let me give you the actual facts about what I have said - which have nothing to do with the aggressive texts you just put here - I stand firm with my exclusion of Goku Black who is just a lame merchandise sales attempt which folks like you have made their obsession.

What I did say is that if there was to be such an unnecessary character, then his Super Saiyan Rosé should be merely Zamasu's version of SSG. I was plain and simple.

About Whis' training, these were meant to allow the heroes to be a capable challenge for Beerus. Ultra Instinct was developed further into real-world time.

[SupremeKai25]

I'm against the existence of "Goku Black" (yet another evil Goku after Captain Ginyu, Turles and Bardock).
Besides, if Super Saiyan Rosè is merely Zamasu's version of a God Form, let it be Super Saiyan God.
About the Tournament of Power, Jiren will be defeated by a joint effort of Super Saiyan God Goku and Majin Buu which is also iconic (Goku and the strongest villain from Z).

Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your writings present obvious gaping holes. If Zamasu doesn't have Saiyan biology, he cannot access God forms, nor pose a serious threat to the Saiyans, as the Kaioshin were left in the dust in the Buu saga. Furthermore, if Ultra Instinct didn't exist, then it wouldn't make any sense for Goku to train with Whis since Whis does not know Super Saiyan God and cannot teach Goku anything in that regard.

Also, I find your point to be double-standards when it comes to villains. You want Majin Buu to defeat Jiren because he's an iconic villain from Z, but then you want to remove Black even though he's the most iconic villain from the modern era, yet following your very own logic you would keep Black because he's iconic.

Slow it down with the crusade for a cartoon character, buddy. Now, let me give you the actual facts about what I have said - which have nothing to do with the aggressive texts you just put here - I stand firm with my exclusion of Goku Black who is just a lame merchandise sales attempt which folks like you have made their obsession.

What I did say is that if there was to be such an unnecessary character, then his Super Saiyan Rosé should be merely Zamasu's version of SSG. I was plain and simple.

About Whis' training, these were meant to allow the heroes to be a capable challenge for Beerus. Ultra Instinct was developed further into real-world time.

Pointing out plot holes is not being aggressive. You all do it when it comes to DBS, so I don't know why I can't point out plot holes when it comes to your rewritings.

Black's version of SSG is his base form. By the very rules of the form, he cannot have SSG because he's already a god. By trying to give Black his "version of SSG", you are opening up more plot conundrums because you would have to redefine what SSG is.

Whis' training was about teaching Goku Ultra Instinct. They began training in RoF and that's when Whis first mentions the rules of Ultra Instinct about reacting instinctively.

[Yuji]

Rosé cannot be Super Saiyan God since it has the spiky Super Saiyan hair, not the base form hair.

You're being obtuse. Obviously Rosé would be redesigned to be a counterpart to God, meaning it'd be base form hair in pink.

Black's Super Saiyan God state is supposed to be his normal form since he's a god with the body of a Saiyan

Not in the manga (which I've referenced from post 1) where he uses all SS forms like a normal Saiyan. Rosé would therefore be "A god with the body of a Saiyan turning Super Saiyan God"

"Black gets an even better form than Goku", I thought you wanted to remove recolours, yet now you're suggesting that Black should get another recolour different than Rosé.

Firstly, I'm not the OP, I was replying to his proposal AND I was defending Blue. Secondly, you've misunderstood. I said one of two things could happen:

1. Either Rosé is redesigned and rewritten to be a counterpart to God instead, as suggested above,

OR

2. Rosé stays exactly the same as before and it's still a higher form than SSG, only a form exclusive to Black that Goku and Vegeta can't access, nor its equivalent. They therefore must defeat him by something other than brute force (which is how he's defeated in the manga anyway, by Vegeta using strategy, so you'd just have to change his strategy a bit is all)

Too many writing changes, too many alterations. I would not recognise the finished product at all.

There are almost no changes at all. In one scenario you redesign a form, in another scenario the antagonist just has a stronger power level. If you think this is too different from the original, you lack creative vision, that's all.

[MasenkoHA]

It continues the exact same way, as Blue brought nothing of plot significance to the story.

100 percent this. Take Super Saiyan Blue out and absolutely nothing would change. And you can’t say that about any other Super Saiyan form but Blue.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your writings present obvious gaping holes. If Zamasu doesn't have Saiyan biology, he cannot access God forms, nor pose a serious threat to the Saiyans, as the Kaioshin were left in the dust in the Buu saga. Furthermore, if Ultra Instinct didn't exist, then it wouldn't make any sense for Goku to train with Whis since Whis does not know Super Saiyan God and cannot teach Goku anything in that regard.

Also, I find your point to be double-standards when it comes to villains. You want Majin Buu to defeat Jiren because he's an iconic villain from Z, but then you want to remove Black even though he's the most iconic villain from the modern era, yet following your very own logic you would keep Black because he's iconic.

Slow it down with the crusade for a cartoon character, buddy. Now, let me give you the actual facts about what I have said - which have nothing to do with the aggressive texts you just put here - I stand firm with my exclusion of Goku Black who is just a lame merchandise sales attempt which folks like you have made their obsession.

What I did say is that if there was to be such an unnecessary character, then his Super Saiyan Rosé should be merely Zamasu's version of SSG. I was plain and simple.

About Whis' training, these were meant to allow the heroes to be a capable challenge for Beerus. Ultra Instinct was developed further into real-world time.

Pointing out plot holes is not being aggressive. You all do it when it comes to DBS, so I don't know why I can't point out plot holes when it comes to your rewritings.

Black's version of SSG is his base form. By the very rules of the form, he cannot have SSG because he's already a god. By trying to give Black his "version of SSG", you are opening up more plot conundrums because you would have to redefine what SSG is.

Whis' training was about teaching Goku Ultra Instinct. They began training in RoF and that's when Whis first mentions the rules of Ultra Instinct about reacting instinctively.

Really? Check out that comment of yours.
Ultra Instinct is a technique &/ modus operandi and should not be a transformation.
My suggestion for SSG being the only God Form introduced in DBS isn't affected by this.

I rather have Zamasu as a Kaioshin prodigy who is a villain on his own operating in the main timeline, over the toys sales bleep show we got in both the anime and the manga with Future Trunks and evil Goku involved.
That was always my suggestion for the rewrite of Super. You know that.

[Hugo Boss]

I actually think the Zamasu arc would have been much better if Rosé had been framed as a step ahead of Goku and Vegeta until they unlocked Blue in that arc. Until that point, I agree the SSG form would have a similar role as Blue.

[Koitsukai]

SSB works for the escalation of threats. The U6 arc and the RoF movie could've worked just fine with SSG as the main form, not just to let that form stretch its legs, but narratively too.

Freeza did not need to face a brand new form, already matching the power that made Beerus flinch for a moment, one that sits above fusion, would've been enough. By now, SSG seems a silly power up, but in 2015, had Freeza been able to match and even surpass BoG Goku would've been already an insane feat.
Hit was actually shown, in the manga, to be at best as strong as SSG. SSB was used just as a flex.

SSB would've been cool to see as the next step when a kaioshin decided to take over the strongest body with the power of a god. God+God= SSB. Like every other form in Z, SSG needed to hit its limits at some point, and the Zamasu arc would've been a great addition. It was also half way through DBS, the timing would've been proper.
It works, as well, for the ToP. Introducing it in the final arc, while having another form ready to go, would've made it useless. Like if the Buu arc also introduced SS4 vs Kid Buu.

In fact, I do wonder if there was some in-door regret about introducing SSB too early in the story. Because SSB had already hit its limit (and right of the bat) and they had to come up with the complete form and with KK.
It's like if SS2 got introduced vs A-19 and 20 and then needed to be mastered because it already hit its roof, leaving regular SS as an old memory.

[Yuji]

I think SSB's first introduction would have worked well via Black debuting Rosé. Goku and Vegeta can then achieve SSB on their own that same arc, maybe.

Considering Blue is very relevant on its own in Broly, Moro and Granolah, I wouldn't say it's unnecessary or wasted, but it ironically gets a lot cooler mileage after it's surpassed than beforehand.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

Again, you are not obligated to write this version of Super as the product it is.
My question was how would you write this show with SSG being its ace.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

My question was how would you write this show with SSG being its ace.

Goku and Vegeta's training with Whis in Resurrection F would result in them being able to use SsjG without the need of a ritual. Everything else would be exactly the same. Vegeta's blue evolved form would be a red SsjG evolved form instead.

[Yuji]

Again, you are not obligated to write this version of Super as the product it is.
My question was how would you write this show with SSG being its ace.

This isn't my rewrite of Super, but within your proposal of SSG as the strongest form:

I dislike SSG as a concept, it's a cheap form, and Goku himself agrees with me. If I had to rewrite the entire thing, I'd make it so the ritual can only be performed once and only Goku could use the form, struggling at first to use it for more than mere bursts.

I'd rather 1-3 be used throughout the entire show, with God functioning in the same role UI occupies now, the peak form that can only be used in a pinch until it's mastered - maybe it wouldn't even return at all until the ToP, he'd handle Freeza, Hit and Zamasu with the golden forms. UI itself would be just a technique he can use and would progressively master.