Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 DBS remaster, DBS galactic patrol arc, Age 1000 announced.

[Artorias]

Regarding the discussion of the Future Trunks arc's ending, I believe the biggest issue with it that subconsciously drove a large portion of the negative response when it aired, is that none of the characters behave how you would expect them to, given the situation. There is a massive disconnect between how the audience believes the characters SHOULD be reacting, and how they're actually acting. The ending of that arc, as in what literally happens, is utterly horrifying and completely depressing, yet the characters all stand around smiling and yucking it up as if what we just watched was in any way satisfying or hopeful. The writers try to treat it like it's your typical happy-go-lucky Dragon Ball ending, and it's just not, so it just feels incredibly uncomfortable all around. I believe this, along with a multitude of other factors (Spirit Bomb sword, Zeno erasure), etc., is at it's core why a lot of the fandom reacted so viscerally to the ending back in the day. I think any sort of Super remake could easily fix these issues, and I would pray that these sorts of changes are made if this supposed remake were to occur. There's a LOT of clean up that is needed.

The ending of the Future Trunks saga was awesome. There's nothing to "fix". It was foreshadowed directly in the first episode, when Whis said Zeno is capable of erasing whole universes if he dislikes something.

And the Future Sword of Hope was an awesome send-off to Future Trunks. He finally had the power to defeat the villain himself, instead of having to rely on someone else to save him. Sure it requires some suspension of disbelief, but so does everything in fiction.

Just because something is "set up" doesn't mean it's automatically good. No one would argue that the end of the FT arc doesn't logically "make sense". The argument from most people including myself is that it's extremely unsatisfying and weird. I can't objectively sit here and tell you that you how you should feel, but I would like to think that you could at least understand why so many people find it insulting to sit through an entire storyline only for a third party to show up that had nothing to do with anything at the VERY end and erase all tension immediately by solving the problem essentially with a snap of their fingers. I can't think of a better example of what NOT to do to resolve a story.

And funnily enough, conversely, the Trunks Spirit Bomb sword thingy was actually not set up at all, which is why I would argue that it's bad. It does not make any logical sense in-universe whatsoever. This goes beyond "suspension of disbelief" into downright unbelievable territory. You can see the hands of the writers in this scene forcing the victory upon Trunks, rather than coming up with clever way to actually allow him to naturally pull out the win. The concept of Trunks defeating the villain is totally fine, it's HOW it happened that people have a problem with.

[Chuquita]

A boxset release as the big announcement (with some pack-in figurine) would be funny.

The way everyone's been talking and the fact that they're making this a whole big event makes me think there's still something substantial on the way, even if it's something as blah (imo) as another cgi movie or just slapping the ToP filter on the rest of DBS and re-airing that the whole thing like that.

I don't think they would air the entire show as is, but rather cut it down like Kai.

Probably. I think DBS Kai is their most budget option where they'll get to put something out while the various factions behind the scenes continue to try to come to some sort of agreement on when/if they'll eventually produce any genuinely new material.

[The Dark Knight]

Probably. I think DBS Kai is their most budget option where they'll get to put something out while the various factions behind the scenes continue to try to come to some sort of agreement on when/if they'll eventually produce any genuinely new material.

I don't think they would be doing this unless they got the green light to continue once it wraps up, so I expect a year long recut of Super 1.0 (52 episodes), then we'll move into Broly, Moro, Granola, etc...

[jjgp1112]

Regarding the discussion of the Future Trunks arc's ending, I believe the biggest issue with it that subconsciously drove a large portion of the negative response when it aired, is that none of the characters behave how you would expect them to, given the situation. There is a massive disconnect between how the audience believes the characters SHOULD be reacting, and how they're actually acting. The ending of that arc, as in what literally happens, is utterly horrifying and completely depressing, yet the characters all stand around smiling and yucking it up as if what we just watched was in any way satisfying or hopeful. The writers try to treat it like it's your typical happy-go-lucky Dragon Ball ending, and it's just not, so it just feels incredibly uncomfortable all around. I believe this, along with a multitude of other factors (Spirit Bomb sword, Zeno erasure), etc., is at it's core why a lot of the fandom reacted so viscerally to the ending back in the day. I think any sort of Super remake could easily fix these issues, and I would pray that these sorts of changes are made if this supposed remake were to occur. There's a LOT of clean up that is needed.

The ending of the Future Trunks saga was awesome. There's nothing to "fix". It was foreshadowed directly in the first episode, when Whis said Zeno is capable of erasing whole universes if he dislikes something.

And the Future Sword of Hope was an awesome send-off to Future Trunks. He finally had the power to defeat the villain himself, instead of having to rely on someone else to save him. Sure it requires some suspension of disbelief, but so does everything in fiction.

Just because something is "set up" doesn't mean it's automatically good. No one would argue that the end of the FT arc doesn't logically "make sense". The argument from most people including myself is that it's extremely unsatisfying and weird. I can't objectively sit here and tell you that you how you should feel, but I would like to think that you could at least understand why so many people find it insulting to sit through an entire storyline only for a third party to show up that had nothing to do with anything at the VERY end and erase all tension immediately by solving the problem essentially with a snap of their fingers. I can't think of a better example of what NOT to do to resolve a story.

And funnily enough, conversely, the Trunks Spirit Bomb sword thingy was actually not set up at all, which is why I would argue that it's bad. It does not make any logical sense in-universe whatsoever. This goes beyond "suspension of disbelief" into downright unbelievable territory. You can see the hands of the writers in this scene forcing the victory upon Trunks, rather than coming up with clever way to actually allow him to naturally pull out the win. The concept of Trunks defeating the villain is totally fine, it's HOW it happened that people have a problem with.

The ending I think is a unfortunate byproduct of Toriyama's preference for obtuse endings - think about it, every arc but the Buu saga in the original run ended either a twist or an asterisk. First arc, they make their wish...and it ends up being a desperation request for panties. 21st TB, Goku loses. Red Ribbon arc...Red did all this to get taller and the last Dragon Ball, Goku has to fight in a tournament to find it. 22nd TB, Goku loses again. Piccolo gets defeated *then spits out a reincarnation. Piccolo Jr. is defeated *Goku gives him a senzu bean. AFter 8 million false finishes, Krillin has Vegeta dead to rights, Goku tells him to let him leave. Oh, and half their friends are dead and the Dragon Balls are gone. Goku beats Frieza *but gets caught in Namek's explosion *Oh wait he acually escaped *Oh wait he doesn't want to come back *Oh wait Frieza survived *Oh wait there's another Super Saiyan who kills him in 5 seconds. Gohan defeats Cell *and Goku's dead.

And then with Zamasu...he just goes for the weirdest, bizarre depressing ending possible. At least with those other endings, they directly set up the following arc to correct the odd circumstances but instead...that's it. Trunks is just stuck hangin' around a copy of himself! I don't think it even goes down like that if Toriyama is still in the thick of it, writing the manga.

Like was said on the previous page - if Trunks simply stuck around, fought in the ToP and got his timeline restored...perfect! That's classic DBZ storytelling of one arc ending with a price and then the next arc resolving it.

[mecha3000]

So, the event is Sunday morning for Japan, right? Does that mean Saturday evening for America, for example? Also, imagine this announcement ends up being a Dragon Ball live-action movie or series??? Just kidding, I know Toei's involved with it so that's not likely. Also, I'll never forgive Super (whether it was Toriyama, Toyotaro, or Toei - whatever T) for erasing Trunks' timeline and messing up the happy ending he literally fought for with blood, sweat, and tears in the Cell arc. Hopefully, a potential remake can fix that atrocity, but I doubt it. They'd probably want to be faithful to the original manga and anime's ending, especially if Toriyama decided that out of respect for him.

I've also seen people say that Super should rewrite it where Trunks stays in the main timeline, fights in the Tournament of Power alongside 17 and 18, and when 17 wishes for ALL the universes back - it includes Trunks' erased timeline. And I just want to say that idea is SO STUPID IF TOEI DOESN'T JUMP ON THAT PERFECT CONCEPT AND INCLUDE IT IN A REMAKE!!! Seriously, that idea is just so great and I never considered that. I mean, multiverse theory includes different timelines too. Also, the idea of 17, an android who destroyed Trunks' world in his timeline, being the one to revive the timeline itself. Chef's kiss!

[Xeogran]

and when 17 wishes for ALL the universes back - it includes Trunks' erased timeline.

Yes but how would an universes wish restore a timeline. If 17 wishes for everything Zeno ever erased to be back, now that would work but that'd be a crazy change

[Grimlock]

I also believe that while Super Shenlong could restore Trunks' timeline, they would have to be specific about it. Phrase it in a way that affects it too.

The way it was said in the series should mean all Universes were brought back, which includes the six ones previously erased, but not a Universe from another timeline.

[MCDaveG]

Trunks going to a timeline with a duplicate of himself is something I still can't get over.

I have no issues with how Zamasu was dealt with by Zeno. But it's such a bummer how Trunks's actual world is just gone with no hope of bringing it back and he has to settle with being Trunks number two in another world, that's just weird

Either keep him in the present (it wouldn't even create any plot holes since Future Trunks might just be doing his own thing in EoZ) or go the time patrol route, anything else would have been fine

I think that it was just them sprinkling the salt into wounds... Trunks' future was already bleak to begin with, it can not be saved before, it got even worse. But man, I feel this and many fans. It kinda made me pissed off at Zeno from the point of fairness and justice. Zeno follows the rules of cosmic horror.

I wonder if it was some karmic background message from the gods, time travel is forbiddent, hence your destiny was to be dead. Now you're alive, but without your world, your family and 80ish years old girlfriend. Whoa!

[dragonballhero]

Regarding the discussion of the Future Trunks arc's ending, I believe the biggest issue with it that subconsciously drove a large portion of the negative response when it aired, is that none of the characters behave how you would expect them to, given the situation. There is a massive disconnect between how the audience believes the characters SHOULD be reacting, and how they're actually acting. The ending of that arc, as in what literally happens, is utterly horrifying and completely depressing, yet the characters all stand around smiling and yucking it up as if what we just watched was in any way satisfying or hopeful. The writers try to treat it like it's your typical happy-go-lucky Dragon Ball ending, and it's just not, so it just feels incredibly uncomfortable all around. I believe this, along with a multitude of other factors (Spirit Bomb sword, Zeno erasure), etc., is at it's core why a lot of the fandom reacted so viscerally to the ending back in the day. I think any sort of Super remake could easily fix these issues, and I would pray that these sorts of changes are made if this supposed remake were to occur. There's a LOT of clean up that is needed.

The ending of the Future Trunks saga was awesome. There's nothing to "fix". It was foreshadowed directly in the first episode, when Whis said Zeno is capable of erasing whole universes if he dislikes something.

And the Future Sword of Hope was an awesome send-off to Future Trunks. He finally had the power to defeat the villain himself, instead of having to rely on someone else to save him. Sure it requires some suspension of disbelief, but so does everything in fiction.

Just because something is "set up" doesn't mean it's automatically good. No one would argue that the end of the FT arc doesn't logically "make sense". The argument from most people including myself is that it's extremely unsatisfying and weird. I can't objectively sit here and tell you that you how you should feel, but I would like to think that you could at least understand why so many people find it insulting to sit through an entire storyline only for a third party to show up that had nothing to do with anything at the VERY end and erase all tension immediately by solving the problem essentially with a snap of their fingers. I can't think of a better example of what NOT to do to resolve a story.

And funnily enough, conversely, the Trunks Spirit Bomb sword thingy was actually not set up at all, which is why I would argue that it's bad. It does not make any logical sense in-universe whatsoever. This goes beyond "suspension of disbelief" into downright unbelievable territory. You can see the hands of the writers in this scene forcing the victory upon Trunks, rather than coming up with clever way to actually allow him to naturally pull out the win. The concept of Trunks defeating the villain is totally fine, it's HOW it happened that people have a problem with.

The ending I think is a unfortunate byproduct of Toriyama's preference for obtuse endings - think about it, every arc but the Buu saga in the original run ended either a twist or an asterisk. First arc, they make their wish...and it ends up being a desperation request for panties. 21st TB, Goku loses. Red Ribbon arc...Red did all this to get taller and the last Dragon Ball, Goku has to fight in a tournament to find it. 22nd TB, Goku loses again. Piccolo gets defeated *then spits out a reincarnation. Piccolo Jr. is defeated *Goku gives him a senzu bean. AFter 8 million false finishes, Krillin has Vegeta dead to rights, Goku tells him to let him leave. Oh, and half their friends are dead and the Dragon Balls are gone. Goku beats Frieza *but gets caught in Namek's explosion *Oh wait he acually escaped *Oh wait he doesn't want to come back *Oh wait Frieza survived *Oh wait there's another Super Saiyan who kills him in 5 seconds. Gohan defeats Cell *and Goku's dead.

And then with Zamasu...he just goes for the weirdest, bizarre depressing ending possible. At least with those other endings, they directly set up the following arc to correct the odd circumstances but instead...that's it. Trunks is just stuck hangin' around a copy of himself! I don't think it even goes down like that if Toriyama is still in the thick of it, writing the manga.

Like was said on the previous page - if Trunks simply stuck around, fought in the ToP and got his timeline restored...perfect! That's classic DBZ storytelling of one arc ending with a price and then the next arc resolving it.

I've been following the convo regarding Future Trunks in Super for a few pages now and I'm so happy that there are others who share my sentiment. I'm not even joking when I say this... the ONLY way I'll be sold on a Super remake is if *major* plot elements are changed, most especially the ending to the Zamasu arc.

Like you said, the crazy thing is how there WAS a way to fix F. Trunks' reality. Literally have him participate in the T.O.P., although MY idea for that would be altered a bit. Specifically, F. Trunks would win, but after seeing all of the other universes get erased, he'd have to briefly make the hard decision of choosing whether to restore HIS reality or restore the lost universes. He'd eventually choose the latter and the Grand Priest, upon witnessing F. Trunks willingly make such a sacrifice, would restore HIS reality as well as a "freebie". Of course, this would come with the caveat of warning him to never time-travel again, which F. Trunks would accept wholeheartedly.

Like, if they're willing to change up that absolute dogshit ending, I'll be more than willing to sit through yet another retelling of Super. Otherwise, I'd rather they just start from Moro (or a Broly retelling, if it comes to it).

Funny thing is, I honestly get the feeling that those who work intrinsicly on DB stuff that cover Super also aren't fans of that ending, because I've never seen a DB game that covers that arc cover... THAT part of said arc.

[Hellspawn28]

Future Trunks should have gone to Cell's timeline had Whis knew about it. Given that Trunks is dead in that timeline, so it will make things less odd than have two Trunks running around.

[funrush]

Like you said, the crazy thing is how there WAS a way to fix F. Trunks' reality. Literally have him participate in the T.O.P., although MY idea for that would be altered a bit. Specifically, F. Trunks would win, but after seeing all of the other universes get erased, he'd have to briefly make the hard decision of choosing whether to restore HIS reality or restore the lost universes. He'd eventually choose the latter and the Grand Priest, upon witnessing F. Trunks willingly make such a sacrifice, would restore HIS reality as well as a "freebie". Of course, this would come with the caveat of warning him to never time-travel again, which F. Trunks would accept wholeheartedly.

...Wow this is actually a pretty good idea and I can't really come up with anything wrong with it... Makes more sense than having Roshi there. And you could get interesting moments seeing Trunks being forced to team up with 17 and 18. And Trunks having to pick between his timeline and the universes feels more weighty than 17 having to forego a boat that Bulma could just buy him. One of the dumbest lines in the whole show is right after he makes the wish and 18 is like "But what about the boat?!" LOL

Only thing that would be tricky is the drama of 17's fakeout elimination would be harder to replicate with Trunks but you could write around that.

[JulieYBM]

I think that the series could still do an arc centered around bringing back Trunks' timeline. Have Vegeta and the two Trunks' go on a mission to find something that the two Zen-Ou want and retrieve it. It's a perfect chance to have the three characters interact and have scenes together. Hell, you could up the stakes by having Gokuu, Gohan and Goten forced to try and stop Vegeta and his sons or else the three Son boys will have something taken from them by the Zen-Ou because they view everything like a game for their entertainment. Hell, maybe the Grand Priest plays some part in this?

There's a lot of room to take the two most prominent families in the series and let them kick the shit out of each other in a way that has actual fangs, unlike all the awful sparring that we see Gokuu and Vegeta do in Super and Daima.

[dragonballhero]

Like you said, the crazy thing is how there WAS a way to fix F. Trunks' reality. Literally have him participate in the T.O.P., although MY idea for that would be altered a bit. Specifically, F. Trunks would win, but after seeing all of the other universes get erased, he'd have to briefly make the hard decision of choosing whether to restore HIS reality or restore the lost universes. He'd eventually choose the latter and the Grand Priest, upon witnessing F. Trunks willingly make such a sacrifice, would restore HIS reality as well as a "freebie". Of course, this would come with the caveat of warning him to never time-travel again, which F. Trunks would accept wholeheartedly.

...Wow this is actually a pretty good idea and I can't really come up with anything wrong with it... Makes more sense than having Roshi there. And you could get interesting moments seeing Trunks being forced to team up with 17 and 18. And Trunks having to pick between his timeline and the universes feels more weighty than 17 having to forego a boat that Bulma could just buy him. One of the dumbest lines in the whole show is right after he makes the wish and 18 is like "But what about the boat?!" LOL

Only thing that would be tricky is the drama of 17's fakeout elimination would be harder to replicate with Trunks but you could write around that.

Hey, thanks. If I'm being honest? After more than a decade of being aware of Super's... lackluster storytelling (which, IMO, is REALLY not helped by the fact that Super takes place within the 10-year timeskip between the defeat of Buu and the 28th W.M.A.T.), I've come to realize that part of why I honestly didn't give a flying **** about the T.O.P. (and STILL don't, for that matter) is because no one *I* cared about had ANY stakes going into that thing.

Future Trunks being involved for the sake of possibly having a chance to restore his reality would have actually made me care about and possibly even ENJOY the T.O.P., frankly.

Otherwise... I know it's a spicy take, but I just... don't really care about any of the other stuff Super's given us at this point (New characters, transformations, etc.). Of course, I WOULD care more if the story took place AFTER the 28th W.M.A.T., but...

[Xeogran]

I've always been of the opinion they could reshape Moro and Granolah arcs to be set after Super Hero because why the heck not. Would be more interesting, for example Teenager Goten & Trunks could get some spotlight in a real world-threatening fight, Broly would be able to help Z-Fighters on the frontlines for the first time too.

When writing these arcs, Toyotaro didn't knew yet that SH was around the corner and the status quo shaken. Now it'll feel weird going back to the same ol' Super period where Gohan has no Beast form, Goten/Trunks are kids yet again (and also off-screen again =_=)

Moro's passive draining would be an excuse as to why Gohan can't use Beast due to being low on Ki, so that wouldn't pose a plot problem either.

[miguelnuva1]

If they wanted to sell a suoer remake with a single image.

Put Goku, Vegeta and F Trunks facking off against Jiren all in SSB.

Seeing the orginal 3 super saiyans again would be major nostalgia bait.

[The Dark Knight]

When writing these arcs, Toyotaro didn't knew yet that SH was around the corner and the status quo shaken. Now it'll feel weird going back to the same ol' Super period where Gohan has no Beast form, Goten/Trunks are kids yet again (and also off-screen again =_=)

It'll be fine if they're re-telling the entire story from Battle of Gods, which seems to be the case based on that leaked image.

[TheRed259]

There are 2 livestreams scheduled on the official Toei Animation YouTube channel. One for the Japanese audience and the other for the English-speaking audience.
https://www.youtube.com/live/bDw6rYV7G3c
https://www.youtube.com/live/SkH1AHJDW6E

I wonder how one might differ from the other.

[TechExpert2021]

There are 2 livestreams scheduled on the official Toei Animation YouTube channel. One for the Japanese audience and the other for the English-speaking audience.
https://www.youtube.com/live/bDw6rYV7G3c
https://www.youtube.com/live/SkH1AHJDW6E

I wonder how one might differ from the other.

I think the English version of the livestream of the DB Genkidamatsuri event will most likely be an English voice-over/narration dub.

[Chuquita]

I'm impressed nothing about whatever the big announcement is has been leaked, but it leaves me wondering if it's something so underwhelming that you'd get more clicks from throwing out vague hints instead of revealing what it is.

[Lance Freeman]

I'm impressed nothing about whatever the big announcement is has been leaked, but it leaves me wondering if it's something so underwhelming that you'd get more clicks from throwing out vague hints instead of revealing what it is.

Underwhelming is exactly the word I would use to describe any kind of Super remake, yeah...