Dub or Sub? (It's not what you think!)

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:53 am

sniperking323 wrote:The problem now being, I asked her to watch Dragon Ball without any idea about which version to watch with her. She says she's fine with watching the series in Japanese, but I'm sure she wouldn't mind watching it in her native langauge.

If she's fine with watching the original version, then go and watch the original version with her. Simple as that.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:22 am

If she doesn't mind either way, go with the original.

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:20 am

From what I've seen of it, the DB dub really isn't as accurate as some people make it out to be. There are way too many changes, imo. If she's perfectly willing to watch it subtitled, then I really don't see the point of even considering showing her the dub.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:39 am

linkdude20002001 wrote:I wouldn't just dismiss the "small" rewrites if I were you. The script is a C at best, and certainly feels less like Dragon Ball than it should. Plus, the main character's voice actor can't convey Gokuh's cuteness to save her life. And Bulma's voice actor can't act; period. Though the majority of the actors are great, it's hard to enjoy the show when the main character doesn't feel right. :/

Well, um, obviously, everybody's not going to think that way about the acting and you should at least give this girl a chance to form her own opinion

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:45 am

jjgp1112 wrote:
linkdude20002001 wrote:I wouldn't just dismiss the "small" rewrites if I were you. The script is a C at best, and certainly feels less like Dragon Ball than it should. Plus, the main character's voice actor can't convey Gokuh's cuteness to save her life. And Bulma's voice actor can't act; period. Though the majority of the actors are great, it's hard to enjoy the show when the main character doesn't feel right. :/
Well, um, obviously, everybody's not going to think that way about the acting and you should at least give this girl a chance to form her own opinion

That's fine and dandy, but it still brings things back to the fact that if the person has absolutely no problem watching it in Japanese, why wouldn't you...?

That's where the show is from. I'm not going to watch Star Wars in French just because I can and maybe there's controversy about Leia's voice and maybe I should form my own opinion about it when the original's right there in front of me.

(PLEASE NOTE: I am not a Star Wars fan. I know there were changes made to the movies for later editions. I don't know what dubs there are. I don't know if people argue about dub voices. I don't care. If and when I decide to watch the movies, it's clear that I'll try to watch whatever the original version is if it's available to me.)

Michsi · Post by **Michsi** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:06 pm

Personally, I'd recomend the original.

Even if the dub is 100% accurate to the original script, there is still something missing if the voice actor doesn't get the feeling of the character right. And here I'm refering to Goku since I think he stands out the most regarding this issue.

As long as she doesn't mind his high pitched voice ( I know this is major turn off for a lot of people that got used to the dub version) then your friend should go for the japanese version.

sniperking323 · Post by **sniperking323** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:13 pm

Ah screw it, I'll just show her the original. Though the information you guys have given me about the dub is really helpful, 'cause maybe I want to watch the dub sometime and wanted to know what I'd be signing myself up for =P. For those who care, I'll fill you in on her thoughts on Saiyain arc after we finish said arc. We're currently right at the start of Goku vs. Vegeta.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:01 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Well, um, obviously, everybody's not going to think that way about the acting and you should at least give this girl a chance to form her own opinion

Well then... sniperking323 might as well download the Westwood dub of DB, and show her that. That way she can decide if the acting is really as poor as people seem to think it is...

Or... She could watch the show in Japanese and have good acting that no one has complained about, and get a correct portrayal of Gokuh.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:10 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Well, um, obviously, everybody's not going to think that way about the acting and you should at least give this girl a chance to form her own opinion
Well then... sniperking323 might as well download the Westwood dub of DB, and show her that. That way she can decide if the acting is really as poor as people seem to think it is...

Or... She could watch the show in Japanese and have good acting that no one has complained about, and get a correct portrayal of Gokuh.

Again, everyone's obviously not going to agree with that. If he wants to show her the Westwood dub, that's fine and dandy since it uses the same script as Funimation and it'd be hypocritical of me to say otherwise. I'm not to judge whether she'd like the acting.

NeoKING · Post by **NeoKING** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:13 pm

.:PoetikaL:. wrote:Here's my thing when it comes to watching something dubbed or subbed:

Before I start to watch a show, I look at what's available and do some research. For example, when I saw Slam Dunk on Hulu and decided to watch the series, I knew that the only available version is subbed, and so far I'm enjoying it a whole lot.

I know that this is off-topic, but there actually is an English dub of Slam Dunk, though it only aired in Singapore on Animax and was incomplete.

Goku100xKamehameha · Post by **Goku100xKamehameha** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:20 pm

NeoKING wrote:it only aired in Singapore on Animax

And in Indonesia on Animax... and other South Asian countries on Animax.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:30 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Again, everyone's obviously not going to agree with that. If he wants to show her the Westwood dub, that's fine and dandy since it uses the same script as Funimation and it'd be hypocritical of me to say otherwise. I'm not to judge whether she'd like the acting.

It's not the same script. The first 13 episodes use FUNi's scripts (from both 1995 and 2001) as the basis for their own, but the rest of the episodes use a much more accurate script than the one FUNi uses. Though, if the English dubs have problems with either the acing, scrip, or voices, then why not let her watch it in Japanese? :/

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:34 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Again, everyone's obviously not going to agree with that. If he wants to show her the Westwood dub, that's fine and dandy since it uses the same script as Funimation and it'd be hypocritical of me to say otherwise. I'm not to judge whether she'd like the acting.
It's not the same script. The first 13 episodes use FUNi's scripts (from both 1995 and 2001) as the basis for their own, but the rest of the episodes use a much more accurate script than the one FUNi uses. Though, if the English dubs have problems with either the acing, scrip, or voices, then why not let her watch it in Japanese? :/

The acting and the voices are subjective. Just because you have a problem with them doesn't mean she will.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:42 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:Or... She could watch the show in Japanese and have good acting that no one has complained about, and get a correct portrayal of Gokuh.

Is the portrayal of Goku in the Dragon Ball dub really that off? I can't recall them putting him in such a different light the way the DBZ dub did.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:44 pm

It's her acting that ruins it. As you've said before, her laughs as Gokuh are terrible. But it's not just the laughs; she can't convey the lovable cuteness that is Gokuh. I might not be wording it quite right, since it's hard to describe Gokuh, but her voicing the character doesn't feel right. Especially in episode 14 where Gokuh laughs... a lot.

jjgp1112 wrote:The acting and the voices are subjective. Just because you have a problem with them doesn't mean she will.

Well script alone, the dub's not worth it. If a new fan read the comic, then watched FUNi's English dub, it wouldn't feel right. And how is acting subjective? It's not like voices. It's either good, or it's bad. :/

AgitoZ · Post by **AgitoZ** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:45 pm

penguintruth wrote:Is the portrayal of Goku in the Dragon Ball dub really that off? I can't recall them putting him in such a different light the way the DBZ dub did.

Could it be that Naldony was way to raspy to be a 12 year-old?

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:51 pm

I think this is starting to veer off a bit into, "Which version do I like better, and that's the version I'm going to support in this argument" territory. But, ignoring the fact that the original poster has already made his decision, making this discussion somewhat moot now, there are really only two things that need to be considered for this particular person's dilemma.

1. This isn't about one interpretation over another, or which one is better than the other. He has explicitly stated that accuracy to the original is important to him. And no matter which way you slice it, the original is going to be more accurate to itself than any dub is, no matter how good or bad.

2. The only other factor in question is whether his, for lack of a better term, "test subject" would be willing to watch the original version. If she wasn't, then trying to find the most accurate English version would be a concern. But she is willing to watch the original, so... yeah.

So, really, at this point, weighing any subjective merits of the dub versus the sub is immaterial.

sniperking323 · Post by **sniperking323** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:18 pm

I should probably explain why I bother even ask about the dub even she's "ok with whatever I prefer", as she has so stated just earlier today. I ask because the two times we've sat down to watch Kai, she kept getting texts from who knows who. And of course she keeps answering them one after another. Personally, I think its a little rude, but I let it slide. The thing is she can still keep up with the plot because we're watching the dub and doesn't need to keep her eye fixiated on the screen to know whats going on. Then again, I should probably have faith in her attention span XD.

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:31 pm

My friend Skyler wanted to watch some DBZ, so I put the DVD in the laptop, but I set it to Japanese. He was hoping to watch it while playing a video game, but that's not possible with subtitles. He ended up quitting the game and just paying attention to the show. We spent the 12 hours watching DBZ; skipping filler of course. We managed to watch from the death of Kulilin to the death of Freeza.

Gaffer Tape · Post by **Gaffer Tape** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:47 pm

VegettoEX wrote:(PLEASE NOTE: I am not a Star Wars fan. I know there were changes made to the movies for later editions. I don't know what dubs there are. I don't know if people argue about dub voices. I don't care. If and when I decide to watch the movies, it's clear that I'll try to watch whatever the original version is if it's available to me.)

By the way, if that day ever comes, just let me know. I'll make sure you can find the originals.

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