Raditz and his scouter

JDrozen · Post by **JDrozen** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:37 am

1. Why couldn't Raditz detect PL of Mr.Popo and Kami?

2. When he calculated the PL of the farmer is this the PL of the farmer self or farmer + shotgun.

Slickmasterfunk · Post by **Slickmasterfunk** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:15 am

1. I'm not sure but maybe it was out of the scouters range, because the Lookout is very high up. Or maybe their power levels were weak compared to Goku and Piccolo's so he didn't pay any attention to them.

2. Just the farmer. A shotgun isn't a living thing, so how could it have a power level?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:18 am

JDrozen wrote:1. Why couldn't Raditz detect PL of Mr.Popo and Kami?

2. When he calculated the PL of the farmer is this the PL of the farmer self or farmer + shotgun.

The strongest PL in range was Piccolo's, so anything less was insignificant since he was after Goku. Note that he didn't even bother to kill Piccolo once Goku's PL showed up. And yes, it's just the farmer's PL.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:47 pm

I believe Raditz's scouter could not detect Mr. Popo, and Kami-Sama, because they were so far out of scouter range, and he could most likely only detect power's that are actually on the Planet Earth. Kami, and Mr. Popo were on the lookout.

The S · Post by **The S** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:23 pm

If I recall correctly, Kami was supposed to be just as powerful as Majunior at any time that they were split.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:11 pm

The S wrote:If I recall correctly, Kami was supposed to be just as powerful as Majunior at any time that they were split.

Don't you mean Daimao, and not Junior?

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:27 am

tealsmith wrote:Don't you mean Daimao, and not Junior?

The use was correct, The S meant Ma Junior. Daimao refers to "King Piccolo" or "Piccolo Daimao", where as Ma Junior refers to the the offspring of Piccolo Daimao just before he dies. Later the name Ma Junior is phased out and everyone just refers to him as Piccolo

Besides, it doesn't make any sense to use Daimao because Piccolo Daimao is technically dead at this point of the series anyway.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:45 am

The S wrote:If I recall correctly, Kami was supposed to be just as powerful as Majunior at any time that they were split.

Yeah when they split, but afterwards Piccolo kept training where Kami didn't (or at least not as intense + he's an old man)

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:04 am

Gamingdevil wrote:
The S wrote:If I recall correctly, Kami was supposed to be just as powerful as Majunior at any time that they were split.
Yeah when they split, but afterwards Piccolo kept training where Kami didn't (or at least not as intense + he's an old man)

Actually, I think Kami = Piccolo in power, period. He may not be the fighter of the two, but I think the way it works is that all gains in strength made by Piccolo are in turn experinced by Kami. Perhaps to a lessened extent due to his age, or even being split apart, but I'm pretty sure he still got the benefits as well.

Hence why Kami + Piccolo = stronger than Imperfect Cell.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:48 am

The S wrote:If I recall correctly, Kami was supposed to be just as powerful as Majunior at any time that they were split.

Whoa! Where'd this law come from? That's just Kami and Shenron. The instant Piccolo Daimao used the DBs, this equality between Kami and him was broken.

JDrozen · Post by **JDrozen** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:32 pm

The S wrote:If I recall correctly, Kami was supposed to be just as powerful as Majunior at any time that they were split.

Not correct. Kami was stronger then Goku at that time who had a heavy battle with Piccolo Daimao. When Goku tryed to attack Kami, Kami just beat him with a finger.

The S · Post by **The S** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:32 pm

Okay, I'm not going to argue with you guys over whether Kami-sama is equal to Piccolo in terms of strength or not; let's just put it this way - he's at least IN the power level range as his other half. Meaning, had Raditz been in range to detect him with the scouter, he would have probably gone to investigate.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:35 pm

Xyex wrote:Actually, I think Kami = Piccolo in power, period. He may not be the fighter of the two, but I think the way it works is that all gains in strength made by Piccolo are in turn experinced by Kami. Perhaps to a lessened extent due to his age, or even being split apart, but I'm pretty sure he still got the benefits as well.

I've always assumed, in fact it might be stated somewhere, that when the original Piccolo split, it created two completely seperate people (besides the good and evil business). Therefore I find it hard to imagine that if Piccolo trains, Kami gets stronger while sitting on his butt looking at the sky. Besides, in Chapter 360 Kami admits that Piccolo has become far more powerful than himself. So how can Piccolo and Kami always have equal power, it just doesn't make sense.

Xyex wrote:Hence why Kami + Piccolo = stronger than Imperfect Cell.

I believe this is more because he is now whole. I think Piccolo gets more of a boost in power not because of Kami's powers, but because of the fact that the original Piccolo has been restored. There's no real answer to this question though because it's never stated, we can only assume that it's improbable for Kami to equal Piccolo in power.

The S wrote:Okay, I'm not going to argue with you guys over whether Kami-sama is equal to Piccolo in terms of strength or not; let's just put it this way - he's at least IN the power level range as his other half. Meaning, had Raditz been in range to detect him with the scouter, he would have probably gone to investigate.

If you're saying Raditz would have to be closer to Kami-sama than to any of the Z Senshi or Piccolo... then YES, he would investigate the power level.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:56 pm

I like that Raditz's scouter is green, show's a nice honor he has for his Father, Bardock IMO. The Green scouter is my favorite color, next to Zarbon's one-of-a kind Blue variety.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:29 pm

Yeah...perhaps Kami's temple is out of reach of the scouter, or they supress their ki? And I'm pretty sure the scouter detected the power level of the farmer only.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:27 am

Come on guys please. Anyway I believe Kami-Sama was equal to Piccolo in power, but he couldn't fight too well. I just think as Piccolo get's stronger through various intense training, Kami-Sama is on the other receiving end of that power increase.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:40 pm

Well, since God had more good than evil in him when he was separated into two beings, the good part of him being the stronger does make sense. And, as we see when God and Goku meet for the first time, God's power greatly surpasses Goku, who has just proven to be quite a bit stronger than Daimaou was at his prime (which God obviously no longer is). When God and Ma Junior face each other, the difference in power is much smaller. Since the battle was ended in a somewhat unconventional manner rather early on, we never really got to see a real demonstration of God's power, but the two did seem rather equal in power.
After the 23rd Budokai, however, Ma Junior started his intensive training so he could eventually surpass Goku, while God was pretty much just sitting on his ass all day.

By the time Raditz arrived, Ma Junior had clearly surpassed God.

JDrozen · Post by **JDrozen** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:13 pm

Adamant wrote:Well, since God had more good than evil in him when he was separated into two beings, the good part of him being the stronger does make sense. And, as we see when God and Goku meet for the first time, God's power greatly surpasses Goku, who has just proven to be quite a bit stronger than Daimaou was at his prime (which God obviously no longer is). When God and Ma Junior face each other, the difference in power is much smaller. Since the battle was ended in a somewhat unconventional manner rather early on, we never really got to see a real demonstration of God's power, but the two did seem rather equal in power.
After the 23rd Budokai, however, Ma Junior started his intensive training so he could eventually surpass Goku, while God was pretty much just sitting on his ass all day.

By the time Raditz arrived, Ma Junior had clearly surpassed God.

I agree with that. Also, we can only suppose that scouters don't have global scale range and so didn't detect Mr.Popo's and Kami's Pl (probably 300+).

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:04 pm

Power Level debates, Lord help us, these things variey on merly pure opinons. The only true sources for power levels you can trust are the Japanese version of the anime, the Daizenshuu if it lists power levels, and the DBZ Sagas game.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:14 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Power Level debates, Lord help us, these things variey on merly pure opinons. The only true sources for power levels you can trust are the Japanese version of the anime, the Daizenshuu if it lists power levels, and the DBZ Sagas game.

Yeah fuck the manga, let's list a video game as canon.

Like it or not people, power levels did indeed exist in Dragonball! So for the love of whatever god you believe, stop freaking out whenever you see people discussing them. They're just another method of saying "he's stronger than him." Yeesh! Nobody goes ape-tit over the Kili radars!

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