Zackarotto wrote:Aye, I was quite a bit younger than that when I started reading it.
I think I actually was 13 when I first got interested in it. Let's see, I was introduced to it in 1999, and I'm 19 now. So yeah, I actually was 13. How bout that.
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I imagine that makes you atleast 13.Chaos Saiyajin wrote:I was...let's see...I was eight when I started watching DBZ on Toonami and reading Viz's monthly issues of Dragonball and Dragonball Z!
Right, but when have elitists really had a grasp of anything that fit into normal logic?*PINHEAD* wrote:Perhaps. All things come to an end. It's already considered "dead" by many elitist anime-fans, anyway.
Yeah, and then we could venture to Honalee with Puff the Magic Dragon!Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Well, If Dragonball were to die we could always just wish it back with the Dragonballs...
To add to Lost's statement. Since when did it matter what a bunch of stuck-up otaku fanboys think?*PINHEAD* wrote:Perhaps. All things come to an end. It's already considered "dead" by many elitist anime-fans, anyway.
Which makes me wonder...will Daizex ever die?
Hehehe, nice Jers.Jerseymilk wrote:To add to Lost's statement. Since when did it matter what a bunch of stuck-up otaku fanboys think?
Well no, you're not a better fan, it's just an irritating appropriation. Like hentai for instance. America is in a trend right now, where anything Asian is cool, but really the appropriation of it isn't, and it's more tacky.h3ndrix2005 wrote:But still, it's not like you have to be Asian to be an Otaku. I mean, I'm Asian, but that doesn't make me a better fan than you or anyone in this forum, right? Right.
LoL, 'end transmission'. I had a nice laugh when I read that.
Thats also another very good reason.Jerseymilk wrote:It's not only that. The Japanese wouldn't want to proudly refer to themselves as "otaku" because in reality, the word has a very negative connotation to it. It represents someone who is abnormally obsessed with something, to the point that they are a nerd and have no life. Granted, the word has come to have a less harsher meaning here, but to me, the original one still applies. I personally don't want to refer to myself as something heavily associated with Tsutomu Miyazaki, a pedophile and serial killer who shocked Japan when he acted out his fantasies on little girls. He was a huge anime/manga/slasher films fan, especially of hentai of course.
So ya, when people who think it's cool to think of themselves as that term insult or pass judgement on DB's future, I don't take much stock in their judgement.
Nah, fans come in all shapes, sizes, genders, and races. But you gotta give props to your culture from time to time, and I think that as an American anime fan myself, identifying as an Otaku, for whatever reason, is in a way like a slap in the face to your distinct culture.h3ndrix2005 wrote:I see what you're saying; Saiyan is to Saiyajin as fan is to otaku. I guess I missed the point of your first post; I thought you were saying that you have to be Asian to be considered a 'true' fan.
Yes. But let's hope it won't happen for a long while, and never think about it.*PINHEAD* wrote:Which makes me wonder...will Daizex ever die?
That reminded me to finally read his Wikipedia entry. I've been meaning to do it for a while. Sick bastard. The saddest part is, in my opinion anyway, he still gets to do what he loves in prison.Jerseymilk wrote:I personally don't want to refer to myself as something heavily associated with Tsutomu Miyazaki, a pedophile and serial killer who shocked Japan when he acted out his fantasies on little girls. He was a huge anime/manga/slasher films fan, especially of hentai of course.
Well, in all fairness, many fandoms do refer to themselves with odd names. Star Trek fans call themselves "trekkies/trekkers" (or in the case of Deep Space Nine; "Niner"), Transformers fan call themselves "transfans", Star Wars fans call themselves... er, what do Star Wars fans call themselves?The English language is just as good as any other language, so if you're American, why not be a "fan", instead of trying to seem more with whatever it is you want to be with, by calling yourself by a descriptor from a completely different language (one in most cases, these people know nothing about, let alone be able to read, or write in.)
We're not really talking about fairness, in relation to what people call themselves. In the instances you describe, the fans have developed labels based on the programming they are part of the fandom of; but "otaku" is some-what a misapropriation of a foreign language, to suit what-ever fledgling purposes that a fanboy/girl want, to associate themselves more closely to anime in general. And the sorted history of the term brings a whole new level of foolishness to it.Domon wrote:Well, in all fairness, many fandoms do refer to themselves with odd names. Star Trek fans call themselves "trekkies/trekkers" (or in the case of Deep Space Nine; "Niner"), Transformers fan call themselves "transfans", Star Wars fans call themselves... er, what do Star Wars fans call themselves?
Anyway, "otaku" isn't really all that much different, aside from that in this case, it's a loanword from another language (albit perhaps not used appropriatly, heh).
Yeah, normally it doesn't bother me, but the whole Otaku thing just feels wrong.Domon wrote:Well, yes. I do agree that the examples I listed and "otaku" are different for the reasons you've stated. I'm just trying to make the point that I've seen the self-labeling so much, I don't bother to give it much notice or thought.
Speaking of self-label, what specific anime-fan titles are there? I know there's "moonies" for Sailor Moon fans, and... something for Naturo fans, but what else is there?