How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
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How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Piccolo was able to wipe out a Saibaiman with one beam and his BP was under 2000. And Piccolo's Makankosapo was only a few thousand points above Raditz level yet Raditz himself said he would have been done in if it had hit him. Heck, Piccolo's entire arm was blown off by Raditz who was less then 1000 points above Piccolo. So how come Vegeta with a BP of 18000 was able to survive being hit directly by a beam that was thousands of points above his max power?
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Those kamehameha's always seem to push the enemy back. It probably would have killed Vegeta if he didn't quickly roll to the side or whatever.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Vegeta is very durable. That has been mentioned several times by Zarbon and others.
Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
I assume that the Kamehameha still wasn't strong enough to actually go through Vegeta's durable body.
Though I wonder if Goku could've simply detonated the beam at the moment of impact and if that would've made any difference.
Though I wonder if Goku could've simply detonated the beam at the moment of impact and if that would've made any difference.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
First, a few things to correct here:
And for the question itself...
Considering those factors, I'd say it's fairly safe to assume that Vegeta's Gallick Gun could have been as strong as 25,000 while Goku's Kamehameha may have topped out at 30,000. Next, before Goku's attack was able to hit Vegeta it had to push through Vegeta's attack, likely losing power along the way. Add to this the fact that it puhsed Vegeta instead of engulfing him. Being pushed would keep him largely out of harms' way, just shoving him along, instead of the attack tearing at him as it did with Cell.
It was actually a few hundred points under Raditz. But it's also a drill type attack, designed to bore into and through targets. Much like the Kenzian is a cutting attack, designed to slice up targets. So, like Krillin's move, it can hurt those of a higher level than it.ringworm128 wrote:And Piccolo's Makankosapo was only a few thousand points above Raditz level yet Raditz himself said he would have been done in if it had hit him.
Raditz was more than 1,000 points over Piccolo. A total of 3.676 times, which in Dragonball is a complete atomization capable difference.ringworm128 wrote:Heck, Piccolo's entire arm was blown off by Raditz who was less then 1000 points above Piccolo.
And for the question itself...
Vegeta's Gallic Gun seems to be a focused attack akin to what Goku and Piccolo did against Raditz. Seeing that Raditz was able to recognize what they were doing, focusing their powers to a point for greater effect, it stands to reason he's seen such things before, so there's nothing to indicate that Vegeta couldn't do focused attacks. Taking that into account then, even though Vegeta's BP was 18,000, it stands to reason the Gallic Gun was stronger than that. Also of note, Goku was hurt and tiring at the time of the struggle, so it's likely his own BP was down some at that point.ringworm128 wrote:So how come Vegeta with a BP of 18000 was able to survive being hit directly by a beam that was thousands of points above his max power?
Considering those factors, I'd say it's fairly safe to assume that Vegeta's Gallick Gun could have been as strong as 25,000 while Goku's Kamehameha may have topped out at 30,000. Next, before Goku's attack was able to hit Vegeta it had to push through Vegeta's attack, likely losing power along the way. Add to this the fact that it puhsed Vegeta instead of engulfing him. Being pushed would keep him largely out of harms' way, just shoving him along, instead of the attack tearing at him as it did with Cell.
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On the flip side I still want to know why every attack Vegeta landed didn't put Goku down. Vegeta was twice as strong as Goku was without Kaio Ken so you would think every landed hit would wreck Goku.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Nothing says Vegeta was trying to kill him right off the bat. Raditz never would have lost if he'd taken his fight with Goku and Piccolo seriously. And eventually Goku started pulling out the Kaioken which helped even the balance.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Or only makes it worse, like being submerged in lava...Xyex wrote:Add to this the fact that it puhsed Vegeta instead of engulfing him. Being pushed would keep him largely out of harms' way, just shoving him along, instead of the attack tearing at him as it did with Cell.
Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
The "most of the Kamehameha's power was used up fighting against Vegeta's Gallic Gun" explanation has always been the first one to pop into my mind. The other factors that Xyex presented could also be part of it as well.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Yeah, but Goku also said his Genki-Dama was strong enough to defeat Oozaru Vegeta... and still it failed to kill his human form. Of course the Genki-dama had only half of the power, but Vegeta was ten times weaker! So Vegeta can withstand at least five times more damage than Goku tought was enough to kill him.
Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Goku had been using Kaioken for a while. I'm sure his power level was way below 8k when he fired the 4x kk kamehameha combo. So he probably ended up only a tad stronger than Vegeta at that point.
Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
I think Vegeta's Galick Gun weakened the blast some.
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Vegeta is bulky, that is why.
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It's almost like flat numerical comparisons aren't the be-all and end-all of fighting.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
So? Krillin was weaker and he killed 5.ringworm128 wrote:Piccolo was able to wipe out a Saibaiman with one beam and his BP was under 2000. And Piccolo's Makankosapo was only a few thousand points above Raditz level yet Raditz himself said he would have been done in if it had hit him. Heck, Piccolo's entire arm was blown off by Raditz who was less then 1000 points above Piccolo. So how come Vegeta with a BP of 18000 was able to survive being hit directly by a beam that was thousands of points above his max power?
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Then how was Gohan able to obliterate Cell? Shouldn't Cell's Kamehameha have softened the blast?Toadster wrote:I think Vegeta's Galick Gun weakened the blast some.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Like other people have said that Vegeta has a great durability. Even when Gohan deflects the Genki Dama on him, he was still alive. Some could say that he was still alive for PIS so that they could keep the story going for a bit longer though.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
Goku's power with the x4 Kaioken wasn't 8000 x 4. He was hurting all over from overusing the Kaioken so his start power had already diminished.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
The hands of fate saved him.
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Re: How did the Kaioken X4 not obliterate Vegeta?
I think Gohan releasing his full power is much more powerful than Cell. Goku and Vegeta were much closer in power by comparison. Also, Cell was caught off-gaurd by Vegeta... that probably affected his own Kamehameha's stopping power. That's just my theory though. After all, Vegeta shouldn't have even be able to hold Goku's kkx3 to begin with. I think the Galick Gun amplifies his power level.ringworm128 wrote:Then how was Gohan able to obliterate Cell? Shouldn't Cell's Kamehameha have softened the blast?Toadster wrote:I think Vegeta's Galick Gun weakened the blast some.