Question about Fusion

[Saitou Hajime]

I just want to clarify if the two beings needing to be of the same power or close and matching their power exactly are treated as the same thing or are different concepts, the former (having the same power or close) a prerequisite for fusion itself and the latter (matching powers exactly) a step in the actual ritual.

[Kaboom]

That's correct, it seems that being similar in power is a prerequisite for the Fusion Dance, while matching powers exactly is part of how it's performed. Trunks is slightly stronger than Goten at their bests, but they were still almost perfect for it. Likewise, Goku considered Vegeta and Gohan as both candidates for Fusion with him, even though Gohan is noticeably weaker than Goku or Vegeta.

Also interesting, though, is that Goku still considers Gohan a potential Fusion partner for himself later, after Gohan's been boosted into his "Ultimate" state and has leagues more power than he did before.

[Saitou Hajime]

Also interesting, though, is that Goku still considers Gohan a potential Fusion partner for himself later, after Gohan's been boosted into his "Ultimate" state and has leagues more power than he did before.

That could be explained as Goku spitballing without thinking it through, as Old Kai pointed out that Goku didn't even consider that Buu wouldn't just stand there and let them do the dance.

[TheMightyOzaru]

For the fusion dance, yes both power levels must be exactly the same. For the Potara Earrings, no. This is obvious because Kibito is not anywhere close to Kaioshin's power level.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

For the Potara Earrings, no. This is obvious because Kibito is not anywhere close to Kaioshin's power level.

Is it? Perhaps not.

[Fox666]

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[Bussani]

For the fusion dance, yes both power levels must be exactly the same.

That's not really what's being asked. He wants to know if the beings also have to be a close match in power anyway, or if, say, Buu arc Goku could fusion dance with whatever arc Raditz if he lowered his power enough to match him.

[Pantalones]

The fusion dance does seem to require a similar "normal" power level (in addition to matching powers exactly while fusing), based on how Goku says that he couldn't find anyone in the afterlife to try it out with (meaning that everyone he encountered was either too far below or too far above him for it to work. Or too far above base form but too far below Super Saiyan, or between his SSj and SSj2 but not close enough to match either, etc.) It can't just be the "suppress power to match the weaker person" thing involved there, because we know that Goku and company can suppress their power down to 5 like a normal human, or even so far that scouters can't detect them until they move or do something... so Goku would be able to fuse with ANY weaker fighter in the afterlife that way. There has to be a restriction on how far apart both characters' "normal" power level is, too.

He also only brings up dance-type fusion with two pairs who are very close in power (himself + Vegeta, and Goten + Trunks), while with Potara fusion he considers characters much weaker than him like Dende and Mr. Satan as possible fusion partners, as well as someone much stronger than anything he has access to (Gohan after the "Ultimate/Mystic" power-up.) We also see that a big power gap (East Kaioshin + Kibito) can still make a complete Potara fusion. There don't seem to be any restrictions at all on who can fuse with the Potara earrings.

[Mystic Gohan]

I'm not sure if being similar in power has to be true really. After all, Goku did think he could fuse with Mystic Gohan. Seeing as Mystic Gohan is leagues above SSjin 3 Goku, that would be a contradiction.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Also interesting, though, is that Goku still considers Gohan a potential Fusion partner for himself later, after Gohan's been boosted into his "Ultimate" state and has leagues more power than he did before.

I have to wonder, though, if the fusion character of Goku and Gohan would still have an access to both "Ultimate" power-up and Super Saiyan. That would be far more complicated than Vegetto. It's not going to be a simple, that's for sure. My feeling is that he would lose SSJ as "Ultimate" seems to be dominant, thus a "Ultimate" fusion.

[Fox666]

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[Kamesenin is king]

Could gotenks and vegito fuse

[dbzfan7]

Could gotenks and vegito fuse

Doubtful due to height and massive power difference.

[Kamesenin is king]

I should have worded it differently but my question was can a fused character fuse with another fused character

[dbzfan7]

I should have worded it differently but my question was can a fused character fuse with another fused character

I don't think so. But nothing disproves the theory except double potara since it can only be done once if I recall.

[Bussani]

Elder Kaioshin said that you can only use the potara once in your lifetime. Personally, I interpreted this as "Vegetto can't give one of his earrings to someone else and fuse with them, and then fuse with someone else, and then fuse with someone else." Even if that's the case, though, it might be possible for fusions (both potara and dance versions) to fuse using the fusion dance, but that would raise some questions. For instance, let's say Goten and Trunks fused and became Gotenks, waited 15 minutes, and then fused with someone else: the second fusion should last for 30 minutes, but after 15 more minutes, Gotenks's own fusion should run out. Would that cause the second fusion to cancel as well?

[Kamesenin is king]

Yes but if gotenks(trunks and goten are adults or at least how old goten was In gt) fused with vegito I thought that they would have 30 minutes total and then the separate

[Bussani]

So long as Gotenks fused with Vegetto immediately after Goten and Trunks fused to make him, I'd assume they'd have around thirty minutes. If they wasted half their time and then fused with Vegetto, though, then I'm not sure what would happen to the Vegetto-Gotenks fusion when Gotenks turns back into Goten and Trunks.

[Kamesenin is king]

Yeah so maybe there's a four person dance that would fuse all of them at once but it's a theory and theories can be proven wrong or right

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I doubt that Fusion X Fusion, Potara X Potara, or Potara X Fusion is possible.