The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dbzfan7]

That's 100% Freeza, though.
If Abo and Cado were only First Form Freeza level, then the kids would be even weaker than Goku on Namek and that's really ridiculous.

True. but it's hard for me to believe Abo and Cado are above first form Freeza when Tarble can't possibly know of Freeza's transformations. How could he possibly mention another form of Freeza if he had no way of knowing? I have a hard time classifying battle powers when their are so many contradictions.

[Saiga]

That's 100% Freeza, though.
If Abo and Cado were only First Form Freeza level, then the kids would be even weaker than Goku on Namek and that's really ridiculous.

True. but it's hard for me to believe Abo and Cado are above first form Freeza when Tarble can't possibly know of Freeza's transformations. How could he possibly mention another form of Freeza if he had no way of knowing? I have a hard time classifying battle powers when their are so many contradictions.

Didn't Tarble speak to Namekians to find where Vegeta was, though? He could know from them, since they can sense ki and were revived on Namek during the Goku/Freeza battle at 100%. Plus Goku says a Freeza level opponent would be perfect for the kids, and he only knows of Freeza's final form.

[dbzfan7]

That's 100% Freeza, though.
If Abo and Cado were only First Form Freeza level, then the kids would be even weaker than Goku on Namek and that's really ridiculous.

True. but it's hard for me to believe Abo and Cado are above first form Freeza when Tarble can't possibly know of Freeza's transformations. How could he possibly mention another form of Freeza if he had no way of knowing? I have a hard time classifying battle powers when their are so many contradictions.

Didn't Tarble speak to Namekians to find where Vegeta was, though? He could know from them, since they can sense ki and were revived on Namek during the Goku/Freeza battle at 100%. Plus Goku says a Freeza level opponent would be perfect for the kids, and he only knows of Freeza's final form.

Good point. But we don't know if he was told Freeza could transform. Goku also felt Freeza once before in his first form level. But what your saying isn't wrong either and is a good possibility. Though if he was talking about Freeza at 100%, then these guys are clearly not as strong as Freeza as Goku doesn't even surpass Freeza in base until after SSJG. So I still got a few problems with the theory.

[Saiga]

I was thinking that they'd just be in the general range of Freeza's final form, like around 30,000,000. It's the only place where they can fit for me, with what we know of the boys' strength.

[dbzfan7]

I was thinking that they'd just be in the general range of Freeza's final form, like around 30,000,000. It's the only place where they can fit for me, with what we know of the boys' strength.

Quite possible and honestly makes sense.

[RandomGuy96]

IIRC Tarble said that they were just stronger than Frieza. That can mean just about anything. Also note that in the manga version, he pictured Freeza's first form while saying this.

On topic, Aka did nothing to impress me. Yardat Goku can squash him easy.

Off topic: I'm leaning towards Movie 8 Broly only being Cell Junior level. The Movie 8 heroes are weaksauce.

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{Off topic: I'm leaning towards Movie 8 Broly only being Cell Junior level. The Movie 8 heroes are weaksauce.

Prove that there weak sauce

[Draken]

{Off topic: I'm leaning towards Movie 8 Broly only being Cell Junior level. The Movie 8 heroes are weaksauce.

Prove that there weak sauce

Vegeta and Trunks speak for themselves (peak condition = weaker than Cell Jrs) Piccolo was weaker than those 2 at the Cell Games, Gohan was portrayed as the weakest, and Goku was slightly stronger than Vegeta. Voila.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegeta also still used Grade II, and Piccolo seemed to put up more of a fight than him. There is also the release date and the Daiz statement that everyone is at least weaker than their Cell Games selves.

He is warm up Cell level at best.

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Vegeta and Trunks speak for themselves (peak condition = weaker than Cell Jrs) Piccolo was weaker than those 2 at the Cell Games, Gohan was portrayed as the weakest, and Goku was slightly stronger than Vegeta. Voila.

Love this quoting so awesome system

Actually Gohan done alright, he put a better fight then trunks and piccolo form what i saw in the movie but then again it wouldn't make sense nor matter since you cant tell where there ranked. Vegeta was supposed to be the 2nd strongest in that movie and he got one-shot to base. Meaning that broly was toying with all of them otherwise he would of one-shot trunks, Piccolo and gohan at anytime he chooses.

Goku and Vegeta are the main characters therefore they will be the strongest. Toei animation in most of there movie had made the main character stronger then the other character who in manga was actually meant to be stronger. Like M6 and M7 or M3 or M12 and M13

So Movie 8 being any different wouldn't make any sense because that would just be biased

Kaboom how is my writing now, Pretty darn good aye ?

Vegeta also still used Grade II, and Piccolo seemed to put up more of a fight than him. There is also the release date and the Daiz statement that everyone is at least weaker than their Cell Games selves.

He is warm up Cell level at best.

Release dates show Movie 8 was release 6 months after cell games started in manga and they used the same designs for movie 9 as well for trunks and Vegeta but they do look like there cell games self and also the movie 8 oop show that there the same as cell games as it shows Goku fighting cell, Trunks and Vegeta fighting cell jnr and gohan vs cell.

Daiz Statement please show me

[Kaboom]

Kaboom how is my writing now, Pretty darn good aye ?

Gettin' there. Keep it up.

[Draken]

If you call providing Broly a better living target for his clotheslines, then yea Gohan outperformed Piccolo and Trunks by far.

I don't understand your point, yea they're the strongest in the movie. Doesn't change the fact that they're still weaker than their Cell Games selves and, going by what's shown and known fact (Vegeta < Cell Jr even at Cell Games peak is a fact, Goku barely > Vegeta in the movie is shown) the characters in the movie could easily be classified as much much weaker than Cell Jrs.

[Cardle grave]

If you call providing Broly a better living target for his clotheslines, then yea Gohan outperformed Piccolo and Trunks by far.

No i am not talking about that as i am talking about the different moment as Both gohan and Trunks got 3 shot in the first encounter with broly, But after senzu and clotheslines form Broly, Trunks wasn't show until his dad came into the picture while gohan was shown to still be fighting with his dad.

I don't understand your point, yea they're the strongest in the movie. Doesn't change the fact that they're still weaker than their Cell Games selves and, going by what's shown and known fact (Vegeta < Cell Jr fact, Goku barely > Vegeta shown) the characters in the movie could easily be classified as much weaker than Cell Jrs.

your not understanding my point properly, if toei animation made SSj goku and Vegeta stronger then Super nameke in both movie 6 and movie 7 then why wouldn't they do the same as for movie 8 and make goku and vegeta stronger then gohan. Like how do you know that goku switched places with gohan and gohan switched places with vegeta ?

Well Cell jnr was rivaling Vegeta but was shown to have an advantage while goku was quite ahead of vegeta but i am still failing to see your point can you explain a bit more

Plus king kai said when talking to goku "He might be stronger then YOU GUYS" so Gohan might of been stronger but it properly follows the Anime logic

[Kamiccolo9]

What's with all the Broly talk lately?
Cyborg Tao vs 23rd Budokai Yamcha

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yamacha always loses



he will properly run towards him and break his ankles or something

[Vertical]

That's 100% Freeza, though.
If Abo and Cado were only First Form Freeza level, then the kids would be even weaker than Goku on Namek and that's really ridiculous.

Abo and Cado's strength placements do not determine Goten and Trunks'.

Abo and Cado are comparable to Tarble's vision of Freeza. Goten and Trunks are comparable/superior to Goku's vision of Freeza. There is a huge difference between the two.

[PerfectFreeza]

Vegeta and Trunks speak for themselves (peak condition = weaker than Cell Jrs) Piccolo was weaker than those 2 at the Cell Games, Gohan was portrayed as the weakest, and Goku was slightly stronger than Vegeta. Voila.

Love this quoting so awesome system

Actually Gohan done alright, he put a better fight then trunks and piccolo form what i saw in the movie but then again it wouldn't make sense nor matter since you cant tell where there ranked. Vegeta was supposed to be the 2nd strongest in that movie and he got one-shot to base. Meaning that broly was toying with all of them otherwise he would of one-shot trunks, Piccolo and gohan at anytime he chooses.

Goku and Vegeta are the main characters therefore they will be the strongest. Toei animation in most of there movie had made the main character stronger then the other character who in manga was actually meant to be stronger. Like M6 and M7 or M3 or M12 and M13

So Movie 8 being any different wouldn't make any sense because that would just be biased

Kaboom how is my writing now, Pretty darn good aye ?

Gohan done the worst out of all of them.Yes, Vegeta was the second strongest, but that's because his ki made the biggest difference at the end.
It's just movie incosistency, that he got 1 shot.Remember Super 13 getting damaged by BASE Vegeta, yet tanking SSJ Vegeta?That's the inconsistency.
Excuse, my friend.Piccolo is the strongest in M7, yet Goku is the main character.Who is stronger in the movie?Piccolo, because he budges Super 13, unlike others and talks trash to 13.

Release dates show Movie 8 was release 6 months after cell games started in manga and they used the same designs for movie 9 as well for trunks and Vegeta but they do look like there cell games self and also the movie 8 oop show that there the same as cell games as it shows Goku fighting cell, Trunks and Vegeta fighting cell jnr and gohan vs cell.

Daiz Statement please show me

The movies follow the anime release dates.It's quite clear by M6 and M7.Vegeta and Trunks look the same, because they look the same after 2nd Rosat.
The ''OOP'' shows next events.Unless you think the kids can perform the fusion in M11.

No i am not talking about that as i am talking about the different moment as Both gohan and Trunks got 3 shot in the first encounter with broly, But after senzu and clotheslines form Broly, Trunks wasn't show until his dad came into the picture while gohan was shown to still be fighting with his dad.

Their second round isn't fully shown.In fact, Trunks could have gotten attacked alone, like earlier.Judging by the clothes damage at the very end, Goku lasted the longest, then Trunks and Piccolo, then Gohan and Vegeta.
We see Vegeta's fight and it's inconsistency, that he got 1 shot.

your not understanding my point properly, if toei animation made SSj goku and Vegeta stronger then Super nameke in both movie 6 and movie 7 then why wouldn't they do the same as for movie 8 and make goku and vegeta stronger then gohan. Like how do you know that goku switched places with gohan and gohan switched places with vegeta ?
Well Cell jnr was rivaling Vegeta but was shown to have an advantage while goku was quite ahead of vegeta but i am still failing to see your point can you explain a bit more
Plus king kai said when talking to goku "He might be stronger then YOU GUYS" so Gohan might of been stronger but it properly follows the Anime logic

That wasn't Kamiccolo in M6, regardless of Dende being Guardian.And he is stronger than the SSJs in M7.Don't you remember the ''You are the one, who's going to come rattling apart'' line, Piccolo said to 13?
There is no evidence Toei does that intentionally.Yes, Kaio said he is stronger than ''you guys''.By that he means all them together.They fight as a team, no?
It would be very stupid of Goku to send Gohan away, if he was stronger than him, no?

Abo and Cado's strength placements do not determine Goten and Trunks'.
Abo and Cado are comparable to Tarble's vision of Freeza. Goten and Trunks are comparable/superior to Goku's vision of Freeza. There is a huge difference between the two.

Abo and Cado however put up a fight.
As for the newest fight:Yamcha probably wins.

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Gohan done the worst out of all of them.Yes, Vegeta was the second strongest, but that's because his ki made the biggest difference at the end.
It's just movie incosistency, that he got 1 shot.Remember Super 13 getting damaged by BASE Vegeta, yet tanking SSJ Vegeta?That's the inconsistency.
Excuse, my friend.Piccolo is the strongest in M7, yet Goku is the main character.Who is stronger in the movie?Piccolo, because he budges Super 13, unlike others and talks trash to 13.

The whole Dragonball Z is inconsistent, there many moments like that in manga and gohan done the 3rd best out of all of them. Really i don't know how he done the worst he was still fighting along his dad while trunks and Piccolo were not scene until later.

The ''OOP'' shows next events.Unless you think the kids can perform the fusion in M11.

Correction they show posters of the next events as they already did

Their second round isn't fully shown.In fact, Trunks could have gotten attacked alone, like earlier.Judging by the clothes damage at the very end, Goku lasted the longest, then Trunks and Piccolo, then Gohan and Vegeta. We see Vegeta's fight and it's inconsistency, that he got 1 shot.

yeah no its not inconsistent, Serious your making me laugh here with this inconsistent. Like toei animation made this movie and all the feats to be inconsistent. that is something pakl would believe. Even in manga there a lot of inconsistent moment

That wasn't Kamiccolo in M6, regardless of Dende being Guardian.And he is stronger than the SSJs in M7.Don't you remember the ''You are the one, who's going to come rattling apart'' line, Piccolo said to 13?

Piccolo can say whatever, End the goku lasted the longer thus him being the strongest.

There is no evidence Toei does that intentionally.Yes, Kaio said he is stronger than ''you guys''.By that he means all them together.They fight as a team, no?
It would be very stupid of Goku to send Gohan away, if he was stronger than him, no?

Actually he would send him away, his a child not a man. This is the same moment in when goku send gohan to fight cell. And everyone told goku to call back gohan and go in, Even cell himself said for goku to step in and fight him. his a child and even if he was stronger he wasn't going to be the man or a fighter like his farther. And in Anime LOL well everyone said gohan stood no chance against cell even after he powered up. So Goku sending away is just common sense

And this is broly not cell, his not going to toy with him to get the Rage boost out. He knows full well he would kill him without any thinking as he was so close in doing.

[PerfectFreeza]

The whole Dragonball Z is inconsistent, there many moments like that in manga and gohan done the 3rd best out of all of them. Really i don't know how he done the worst he was still fighting along his dad while trunks and Piccolo were not scene until later.

It's really not.Gohan done the worst out of them.
Again, you are basing that off only one scene, which isn't even fully shown.Trunks is later seen standing out of rubble, indicating Broly attacked him on one point also.It's possible he targeted Trunks solo, like in the 1st round.

Correction they show posters of the next events as they already did

I don't understand you.

yeah no its not inconsistent, Serious your making me laugh here with this inconsistent. Like toei animation made this movie and all the feats to be inconsistent. that is something pakl would believe. Even in manga there a lot of inconsistent moment

It is inconsistency.You ignored my proof, that they are inconsistent in the movies.

Piccolo can say whatever, End the goku lasted the longer thus him being the strongest.

Piccolo budged 13, unlike the others.Goku lasted the longest in base.Are you telling me Base Goku is stronger than SSJ Vegeta?That's the inconsistency I was talking about.

Actually he would send him away, his a child not a man. This is the same moment in when goku send gohan to fight cell. And everyone told goku to call back gohan and go in, Even cell himself said for goku to step in and fight him. his a child and even if he was stronger he wasn't going to be the man or a fighter like his farther. And in Anime LOL well everyone said gohan stood no chance against cell even after he powered up. So Goku sending away is just common sense

And this is broly not cell, his not going to toy with him to get the Rage boost out. He knows full well he would kill him without any thinking as he was so close in doing.

If he sent Gohan against Cell, then he would send him against Broly.You just countered yourself there.
How would Goku know, that Cell would try to anger Gohan?Goku expected Gohan to have the same fighting ''lust'', as he does, but he didn't have it.In M8, Gohan even tries to argue with Goku for a second to not leave.
It's clear as day.Gohan is the weakest link in M8.

[Cardle grave]

It's really not.Gohan done the worst out of them.Again, you are basing that off only one scene, which isn't even fully shown.Trunks is later seen standing out of rubble, indicating Broly attacked him on one point also.It's possible he targeted Trunks solo, like in the 1st round.

he targeted gohan or did you forget that because last time i checked gohan was sticking out of the wall, Gohan done the 3rd best and it doesn't matter anyways. Serious i could say piccolo is over trunks since he done better then trunks in movie 9 and your basing gohan being the weakest with 1 scene too which really doesn't even show his the weakest

I don't understand you.

they show posters of the next movie

It is inconsistency.You ignored my proof, that they are inconsistent in the movies.

then the manga is inconsistent as well

Piccolo budged 13, unlike the others.Goku lasted the longest in base.Are you telling me Base Goku is stronger than SSJ Vegeta?That's the inconsistency I was talking about.

Please if your talking about him lifting him then that's not even proof, anyone can lift 13. No it just show goku meant to be the strongest like he is in almost every movie his in

If he sent Gohan against Cell, then he would send him against Broly.You just countered yourself there.

Why is Broly and cell are the same

How would Goku know, that Cell would try to anger Gohan?Goku expected Gohan to have the same fighting ''lust'', as he does, but he didn't have it.In M8, Gohan even tries to argue with Goku for a second to not leave.

Because goku said in manga and to the others that his goal in sending in gohan was to try to make gohan angry, he sent in gohan to get gohan mad and beat cell not to use his current power and beat him as that he practically was relying on it. Cell was pushing to get his anger out not trying to kill him but trying the cell jnr to torture the others while Broly was going to kill him and goku knew full well that he was going to do it.

The gap between broly and Gohan>>>>Gohan and Cell

And no, Cell is fighting for the challenge while broly is fighting for death. Big difference

It's clear as day.Gohan is the weakest link in M8.

Actually its not, As nothing proves it