Again, Gokû never saw Gotenks, he just evaluate his level. It's a gamble. And I'm sorry, but refering to Piccolo...The guy thought that Gotenks in his base form could take Evil Buu ! He never compares Gotenks to Gokû, never admit that Gotenks could beat Majin Buu (fat) clearly, he's just following Gokû's hope in the boys. They're his only hope. And the fact shows us that Gotenks was destroy in his base form by Majin Buu (fat), and needed SSJ3 to handle Evil Buu.
Piccolo never thought that base Gotenks could take Evil Buu (who was implied to be suppressed anyway). He was muttering "oh please let there be a miracle..." and later admitted that he didn't even think that Super Saiyan Gotenks would be able to take this new Buu.
No, he's not. He senses SS Gotenks and SS2 Vegeta. He even gets a demonstration of Gotenks' speed. He also senses Fat Buu and SS3 Goku, and is the only one who knows that Goku could have beaten Fat Buu. Yet you think that he sensed someone weaker than Majin Vegeta and still said he could win.
DO you hate Piccolo? Do you think he's a complete idiot and forgot how to sense ki for absolutely no reason?
You're turning things as you want : it's never say that ONLY Dai Kaioshin weakened Buu. They just not mention South Kaioshin, which have just one line text in the manga.
Why the hell would the Daiz only say that Dai weakened Buu if they both did? And yes, they mention South Kaioshin, and don't say anything about him weakening Buu.
Not at all. As I say above, we can't say that all of this is sure. And Piccolo never told that Gotenks pre-ROSAT could beat Majin Buu (fat). He's impressed by him, but that's all. Again, the fact that he thinks that Gotenks in base could beat Evil Buu shows that he don't understand what's going on.
He had no problem with Gotenks fighting Fat Buu, even though he sensed SS3 Goku and was still under the impression that Fat Buu was above that. So yes, he did.
He's not just impressed, he indirectly compares him to Majin Vegeta when he says that SS Gotenks can take someone that Majin Vegeta can't. Or does he have short term memory loss? Did he get brain damage?
Again, he doesn't think that, and it was a gag anyway and Evil Buu was suppressed.
I disagree. IMO, you are intrepreting things, or according a lot of importance to statments that aren't valid. I'm basing on a logic : the Buu's forms and his history.
You're not using logic and I'm not doing any interpreting. You're just saying "Nuh uh, none of these statements count" even the VERY blunt ones, like Goku's "I'm simply no match for his [Super Buu's] strength!". Seriously, what other way is there to interpret that?
Again, 2 Kaioshins aren't compatible with Buu + the Bejito thing. It makes 3 elements that show a special Kaioshin effect on Buu. It's never stated that a Kaioshin could increase Buu power. That's a complete theory.
Did you read my post? One wasn't compatible because of his gentle heart, with no mention of it being because of his Kaioshin ki, while the other just couldn't be used to revive Buu, which has absolutely nothing to do with his absorbptions.
No, it's not a theory. Goku flat out states that Super Buu is stronger than him, and that he's as strong as Kid Buu. South Kaioshin powering Buu up is flat-out stated in the manga.
Oh yes, that's it, magic ! The fusion that can't end, end in Buu. Strange !
Buu is literally made of magic.
Big bullshit. Because he wanted to fuse with Bejita or Gohan. Not make the boys fuse. The idea is brought by Popo. So, he prefers fuse to use his SSJ3. Even again a monster that he could beat.
Weirdly, he only says this after Vegeta and Gohan are dead, and then says later that he wanted Goten and Trunks to fuse since he first saw their power.
And come on, you can't honestly tell me that's not what he intended. He's like "wow, if only I could've had used fusion. it's super powerful and just requires two strong warriors of roughly equal height, build and power. It should definitely be enough to beat Buu." He's practically screaming "go get Goten and Trunks".
You do know that there's absolutely zero evidence that South Kaioshin increased Buu power ?
All along the saga, Toriyama show us how Kaioshins are nothing compared to Goku's friends.
Would you stop saying that? I already proved it wrong. South Kaioshin Buu > Super Buu > Goku = Kid Buu is flat-out stated and/or shown in the manga, like, a dozen times, by six or seven different characters.
But what best statment ? It's YOUR best statment, not at all a fact. Nothing in the manga suggests that EVil is 100x stronger than the fat, IMO it's just ridiculous. The only statment on his power is "his body is more adapted to fight", "he's greater". I'm sorry, but ther's not statments that can make think that he's 100x stronger, even in dreams. IMO, it's the contrary.
Goku states that SS Gotenks (pre) will be stronger than him, and Gotenks (post) is stated by Trunks and implied by Piccolo to be above SS Gotenks (pre). I don't take it seriously, and Piccolo's part was later retconned, but that's his best statement. The more obvious ones are "SS Gotenks can beat Fat Buu" and "SS3 Gotenks isn't stronger than Super Buu".
I don't contradict 95% of the manga as you say, but you're intrepretation. Which is no more valid than mine, sorry.
Yes, you do. Or do I have to bring up the plethora of Super Buu > Kid Buu statements again?
Chapter: 482 (DBZ 288), P7.2-3
Context: after Super Saiyan Gotenks forms for the first time
Piccolo: “…Yeah…Your ki really is absolutely incredible"
Note: this is after sensing Majin Vegeta and SS2 Goku
Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.5
Context: as Piccolo plans on having Goten and Trunks train in the Room of Spirit and Time
Piccolo: “Can’t you tell…?! As they are now, even if they perform Fusion they can’t win, no doubt about it…! Tell them that if they don’t want to die while they’re still just little brats, then they should train as much as they can…!”
Note: this is after both Piccolo and Goku say (directly and indirectly) that he can win with just Super Saiyan.
Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him"
Chapter: 472 (DBZ 278), P9.4
Context: after explaining that Fusion lasts 30 minutes
Goku: “With these two [Goten and Trunks], if they just manage to perform Fusion successfully, I think they’ll definitely be able to defeat [Boo] within 30 minutes. Fusion is just that extreme.”
Chapter: 499 (DBZ 305), P12.2-4
Gohan: “…That was dirty, you bastard…You ingested the two of them into yourself…”
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”
Note: when Goku shows up, he says that he remembers fighting him and sensing him as Fat Buu.
Chapter: 502 (DBZ 308), P5.6
Context: when Goku shows up
Boo: “…What, did you plan on coming to save everyone? You idiot…Can’t you tell that I’m in a fundamentally different dimension than the Majin Boo from back then?”
Chapter: 506 (DBZ 312), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength!
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
Chapter: 493 (DBZ 299), P12.2-4
Kaioshin: “In-incredible…S-so this is Fusion?...”
Goku: “N-no…That’s Fusion, no doubt about it, but…Thi-this is Super Saiyan 3…! Un-unbelievable…Those rotten little brats…They al-already became Super Saiyan 3, and that took me years to finally manage it…Am-amazin’…haha…amazin’…!”
Note: So it seems that Goku never planned on Gotenks reaching Super Saiyan 3, but still thought he’d be able to defeat Boo
There's more, but Super Buu's statement and Goku's statement are the most blunt and easy to understand.
Going by anime performances, Vegeta is stronger than South Kaioshin. Kid Buu injured South Kaioshin badly with just one kick in his head, while Vegeta took four hits to get down, if I'm not wrong
Actually, he hit South Kaioshin three times, and South actually managed to damage and panic Buu, unlike Vegeta. So no, in the anime he's way stronger.
But that's just the anime, and has no bearing here. I think anime-wise SK + DK = Good Buu.
