Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Does Pure Boo know what a Planet Core is?

Does he have to? He is so strong, that just throwing a big ki blast to the planet, the ki blast easily dives into & destroys the core, and the planet.

[TheGmGoken]

Does Pure Boo know what a Planet Core is?

Does he have to? He is so strong, that just throwing a big ki blast to the planet, the ki blast easily dives into & destroys the core, and the planet.

Would't be shocked if he just used a Ki ball bigger than the planet quite frankly.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Would't be shocked if he just used a Ki ball bigger than the planet quite frankly.

That's too far-fetched. We haven't seen ki blasts larger than a city (right?), let alone the planet.

[TheGmGoken]

Would't be shocked if he just used a Ki ball bigger than the planet quite frankly.

That's too far-fetched. We haven't seen ki blasts larger than a city (right?), let alone the planet.

Genki Dama
SuperNova
Pure Boo's Pink energy ball that destroyed Earth

and many more. We seen ki blast(s) bigger than cities. Largest have been bigger than planets before and some of the top tiers are at least half the planet maybe 25%

[The Monkey King]

That's not how destroying a planet works. To destroy a planet, one has to send the ki blast inside the core of the planet, and make it explode. They don't create explosions that engulf the whole planet.

From the looks of it Kid Buu's attack touched the planet and eviserated it:

Spoiler:

And as shown by Freeza if you try and destroy the planet by just destroying it's core you'll have to wait 5 minutes for it to blow up:

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P10.1-4
Freeza: “Though we’ve avoided having the planet instantly explode, its core has been destroyed…Do you know what that means? Even if left alone, after 5 minutes this time there will definitely be a huge explosion, and Planet Namek will become space dust…”
Goku: “What!?...5 minutes will be enough for me to defeat you and escape in the spaceship I rode here from Earth.”

Also Cell's Kamehameha showed no signs of going anywhere near the Earth's core yet Goku was still worried that it would destroy the Earth:

Spoiler:

Chapter: 399 (DBZ 205), P10.7, P11.3
Context: after Goku teleports out of the way of Cell's Kamehameha
Goku: “I want to ask something too…If I hadn’t jumped up into the sky, would you have fired your Kamehameha like that and destroyed the Earth…?”
[ ]
Cell: “But I’ll tell you this…I’d think nothing of destroying the Earth. It would just shorten my fun…”

How do you explain DBZ characters destroying completely solid celestial objects like the moon?

[KentalSSJ6]

That's not how destroying a planet works. To destroy a planet, one has to send the ki blast inside the core of the planet, and make it explode. They don't create explosions that engulf the whole planet.

From the looks of it Kid Buu's attack touched the planet and eviserated it:

Spoiler:

And as shown by Freeza if you try and destroy the planet by just destroying it's core you'll have to wait 5 minutes for it to blow up:

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P10.1-4
Freeza: “Though we’ve avoided having the planet instantly explode, its core has been destroyed…Do you know what that means? Even if left alone, after 5 minutes this time there will definitely be a huge explosion, and Planet Namek will become space dust…”
Goku: “What!?...5 minutes will be enough for me to defeat you and escape in the spaceship I rode here from Earth.”

Also Cell's Kamehameha showed no signs of going anywhere near the Earth's core yet Goku was still worried that it would destroy the Earth:

Spoiler:

Chapter: 399 (DBZ 205), P10.7, P11.3
Context: after Goku teleports out of the way of Cell's Kamehameha
Goku: “I want to ask something too…If I hadn’t jumped up into the sky, would you have fired your Kamehameha like that and destroyed the Earth…?”
[ ]
Cell: “But I’ll tell you this…I’d think nothing of destroying the Earth. It would just shorten my fun…”

How do you explain DBZ characters destroying completely solid celestial objects like the moon?

Because its Dragonball Z, there always has to be something blowing up.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Are we arguing science and physics now? Not again

When will people learn that physics and fantasy don't mix?

[KentalSSJ6]

Are we arguing science and physics now? Not again

When will people learn that physics and fantasy don't mix?

Everyone needs to take a page from Gurren Lagann.

Spoiler:

[Blade]

Are we arguing science and physics now? Not again

When will people learn that physics and fantasy don't mix?

Real world physics and fantasy physics don't mix, but if fantasy physics are intrinsically tied to narrative events within a story then it's not absurd to debate within those terms.

[TheGmGoken]

Are we arguing science and physics now? Not again

When will people learn that physics and fantasy don't mix?

Everyone needs to take a page from Gurren Lagann.

Spoiler:

Yes please. Best anime in the world said "fuck logic". I suggest other anime and fans do it too. ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA!

Are we arguing science and physics now? Not again

When will people learn that physics and fantasy don't mix?

No...no we are not.

[SaiyanZ]

Are we arguing science and physics now? Not again

When will people learn that physics and fantasy don't mix?

Real world physics and fantasy physics don't mix, but if fantasy physics are intrinsically tied to narrative events within a story then it's not absurd to debate within those terms.

This tbh

[dbzfan7]

Oh no we're arguing physics again...this never turns out well.

[Gogeta 00]

Not sure if any body brought this up or not, but it just occurred to me that Gogeta must be considered stronger than Goku, since Gogeta is equal to all of Goku's power + another huge power level. So yeah, I think that there is a character in Dragon Ball that surpasses Goku and thus there is an anime character that surpasses Goku.

[Hellspawn28]

The issue with Gogeta and Vegito is that they are pretty much almost featless. It's hard to say how powerful they are without power scaling Goku and Vegeta. SSj4 Gogeta's best feat was kicking the death ball attack from Super Yi Xing Long that was going to destroy the Earth. Movie 12 Gogeta did nothing other then kick Janemba's ass and the fusion was over like a few seconds later. Vegito's best feat was able to be resistant to transmutation after he was turn into candy from Buu.

Oh no we're arguing physics again...this never turns out well.

I see nothing wrong using physics in DB? People use physics for stuff like Marvel, DC and Star Wars. So why not?

[dbzfan7]

I see nothing wrong using physics in DB? People use physics for stuff like Marvel, DC and Star Wars. So why not?

Because people always have hissy fits on this topic as DBZ doesn't really have as many defining feats.

[TheGmGoken]

I see nothing wrong using physics in DB? People use physics for stuff like Marvel, DC and Star Wars. So why not?

Because people always have hissy fits on this topic as DBZ doesn't really have as many defining feats.

This. People complain that Cell should't be able to destroy a solar system yet the system is mostly filled of NOTHING. Literally nothing.

[Mewzard]

I see nothing wrong using physics in DB? People use physics for stuff like Marvel, DC and Star Wars. So why not?

Because people always have hissy fits on this topic as DBZ doesn't really have as many defining feats.

This. People complain that Cell should't be able to destroy a solar system yet the system is mostly filled of NOTHING. Literally nothing.

But it's a LOT of nothing. It takes light over 8 minutes to travel from the Sun to the Earth. The size of the Solar System is several dozen fold that. Maintaining a blast big enough to envelope the Sun by the end over the course of an 8 minute journey (the sun being several hundred thousand times more massive and over a thousand fold larger in diameter), assuming they were firing at the speed of light, is draining enough as is. Taking the whole thing? Yeesh. The best you could hope for is destabilizing the Sun, and even then, Goku and co would have to do so from the Earth since they have to breathe air. I don't think Goku at full power could maintain a blast for the length of time to make it to the Sun at the power needed to destroy it.

[TheGmGoken]

But it's a LOT of nothing. It takes light over 8 minutes to travel from the Sun to the Earth. The size of the Solar System is several dozen fold that. Maintaining a blast big enough to envelope the Sun by the end over the course of an 8 minute journey (the sun being several hundred thousand times more massive and over a thousand fold larger in diameter), assuming they were firing at the speed of light, is draining enough as is. Taking the whole thing? Yeesh. The best you could hope for is destabilizing the Sun, and even then, Goku and co would have to do so from the Earth since they have to breathe air. I don't think Goku at full power could maintain a blast for the length of time to make it to the Sun at the power needed to destroy it.

I just said that. You see that's the issue with putting real science into DB. I doubt Toriyama cared that it takes 8 minutes for light to travel from Sun to Earth. The main point is that Cell can destroy the Solar System at full power and most likely do so before any form of life can react(Meaning fuck how fast "light" travel and it WONT take 8 minutes). One of the few real life science facts that works in DB is breathing oxygen.

[dbzfan7]

I doubt Toriyama gave a shit about how science factors into any of it. He just wrote down what he wanted to. I doubt there's a deeper meaning behind it. Kinda like how the moon is drawn closer to earth then it should be, and Toriyama said the distance is the same as in the real world.

[Gogeta 00]

The issue with Gogeta and Vegito is that they are pretty much almost featless. It's hard to say how powerful they are without power scaling Goku and Vegeta. SSj4 Gogeta's best feat was kicking the death ball attack from Super Yi Xing Long that was going to destroy the Earth. Movie 12 Gogeta did nothing other then kick Janemba's ass and the fusion was over like a few seconds later. Vegito's best feat was able to be resistant to transmutation after he was turn into candy from Buu.

How is this a problem though? I can certainly see how feats are important when comparing two characters for strength, but isn't the fact that Gogeta and Vegito are fusions enough to determine that they must be stronger than Goku (therefore surpassing him)? Regardless of what Goku's power may be at any given time, can't we safely infer that Gogeta and Vegito will always be stronger given that there power includes Goku's power and adds another huge power? It may be difficult to determine how strong they may exactly be, but can't we be sure that they will always be stronger than Goku just on the basis that they are fusions?

I am not at all apt when it comes to discussing powers, and I haven't really read much of this thread, so if I am missing something I apologize.