Other Possible Gods of Destruction
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Well then going by that the strongest of those gods has to be the 6th one counting from top to bottom and left to right.
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Yes, I was not arguing to every main villain looking weak, but the fact that you said all villains were weak looking, which isn't the case.UpFromTheSkies wrote: Every main villian in Z started out looking weak, or much weaker than others they were with.
"[Beerus is] a bit eerie, and at first glance, he doesn't seem strong at all, so I like him quite a bit. He even makes cute cat-like gestures. In my works, “guys who seem like they ought to be strong are actually weak.” ……Like Nappa. (laughs)"
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If we hold this to the topic, not all Gods of destruction need to be as strong as Beerus, and some may as well be stronger.
Some maybe govern over weak universes, and thus are weaker. Thus, they don't ever need to take the main villain role and look weak, especially if they are weaker than Goku.
So the fan designs can still hold true.
Regarding the illustrations that we got here, in my opinion some of them look weak, so it works.
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Imperfect Cell and King Piccolo didn't start out looking weak.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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King Piccolo first appeared as old and decrepit, and Imperfect Cell was skinny and bug like. Neither looked very strong.RandomGuy96 wrote:Imperfect Cell and King Piccolo didn't start out looking weak.
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Ummm, King Piccolo was an eight foot tall demon and Imperfect Cell was a creepy looking bug thing with a stabby tail who physically towered over everyone else. I wouldn't describe either as looking non-threatening, especially since the first thing the latter does is suck someone's guts out with said tail while smirking creepily.UpFromTheSkies wrote:King Piccolo first appeared as old and decrepit, and Imperfect Cell was skinny and bug like. Neither looked very strong.RandomGuy96 wrote:Imperfect Cell and King Piccolo didn't start out looking weak.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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They both were creepy looking, I'll give you that, but I don't think either of them looked like a match for Goku and company.RandomGuy96 wrote:Ummm, King Piccolo was an eight foot tall demon and Imperfect Cell was a creepy looking bug thing with a stabby tail who physically towered over everyone else. I wouldn't describe either as looking non-threatening, especially since the first thing the latter does is suck someone's guts out with said tail while smirking creepily.UpFromTheSkies wrote:King Piccolo first appeared as old and decrepit, and Imperfect Cell was skinny and bug like. Neither looked very strong.RandomGuy96 wrote:Imperfect Cell and King Piccolo didn't start out looking weak.
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Goku didn't even come up to Piccolo's kneecaps. Piccolo's fist was the size of Goku's torso.
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The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mess with either of these guys. Just saying.UpFromTheSkies wrote:King Piccolo first appeared as old and decrepit, and Imperfect Cell was skinny and bug like. Neither looked very strong.RandomGuy96 wrote:Imperfect Cell and King Piccolo didn't start out looking weak.
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Know whats scarier?Kamiccolo9 wrote:I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mess with either of these guys. Just saying.UpFromTheSkies wrote:King Piccolo first appeared as old and decrepit, and Imperfect Cell was skinny and bug like. Neither looked very strong.RandomGuy96 wrote:Imperfect Cell and King Piccolo didn't start out looking weak.Spoiler:I mean, he has a giant skull chair. That's scary.Spoiler:
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Imperfect Cell did. He looked fucking awesome and tough as nails.
But at the same time, he also looks progressively weaker as he transforms.
But at the same time, he also looks progressively weaker as he transforms.
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I would have to disagree here. I don't think Perfect Cell looks any weaker than Semi-Perfect Cell. Leaner, yes, but not weaker.Saiga wrote:Imperfect Cell did. He looked fucking awesome and tough as nails.
But at the same time, he also looks progressively weaker as he transforms.
But that may just be due to my dislike of his Semi-Perfect form, so.... meh
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Semi Perfect looks the weakest. Looks like someone the Earthlings could beat. I mean damn he looks like Kiwi can kick his ass. He looks a generic solider with no name.
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Remember this guy?RandomGuy96 wrote:Goku didn't even come up to Piccolo's kneecaps. Piccolo's fist was the size of Goku's torso.
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Goku had defeated big guys before that looked stronger than Piccolo with ease.
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They look creepy, and maybe a threat to regular people, but not for Goku.Kamiccolo9 wrote:I don't know about you, but I wouldn't mess with either of these guys. Just saying.UpFromTheSkies wrote:King Piccolo first appeared as old and decrepit, and Imperfect Cell was skinny and bug like. Neither looked very strong.RandomGuy96 wrote:Imperfect Cell and King Piccolo didn't start out looking weak.Spoiler:I mean, he has a giant skull chair. That's scary.Spoiler:
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Okay, so what's your point? You're really contradicting yourself now.
"Toriyama's main villains always look non-threatening. What's that you say, I was wrong and two main villains look threatening? Well they don't actually, because we're used to Toriyama making his villains look non-threatening, so something that looks threatening actually doesn't look threatening, while something that doesn't look threatening also doesn't look threatening... somehow".
"Toriyama's main villains always look non-threatening. What's that you say, I was wrong and two main villains look threatening? Well they don't actually, because we're used to Toriyama making his villains look non-threatening, so something that looks threatening actually doesn't look threatening, while something that doesn't look threatening also doesn't look threatening... somehow".
And Nappa did?They look creepy, and maybe a threat to regular people, but not for Goku.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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My point is that in Dragon Ball, the strongest characters usually don't look very strong at first, and the strong looking characters are usually weak. Toriyama said so himself, so there's really no point in arguingRandomGuy96 wrote:Okay, so what's your point?
Nappa did what, look strong and threatening? Yes, he did, and Toriyama agrees.And Nappa did?
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Nah, I definitely think Semi-Perfect Cell looks stronger than his Perfect form, when he isn't making stupid faces. Unfortunately that happens a lot because Toriyama immediately started making him look like a bitch after he beat 16.
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I agree. Perfect Cell does look smarter and more sophisticated, though.Saiga wrote:Nah, I definitely think Semi-Perfect Cell looks stronger than his Perfect form.
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Compared to what? Piccolo is a giant green demon, who shows up right after we had seen a smaller green demon thrash Goku. Even when he's old, he's way more threatening than any enemy Goku had faced yet. You can tell just by looking at his face.UpFromTheSkies wrote: They look creepy, and maybe a threat to regular people, but not for Goku.
As for Cell, if a bipedal insectoid guy with claws, fangs, and a giant stinger-tail doesn't look threatening, then I'm not sure what your qualifications are.
Fair enough, to each his own. Personally, I think the leaner, more "efficient" looking forms look tougher, but that's just me. Semi-Perfect Cell doesn't look strong to me; he looks slow. I feel the same way when comparing SSJ Grade 2 to Grade 3, and Buff Buu to Super Buu.Saiga wrote:Nah, I definitely think Semi-Perfect Cell looks stronger than his Perfect form, when he isn't making stupid faces. Unfortunately that happens a lot because Toriyama immediately started making him look like a bitch after he beat 16.
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That's not what you said. You literally said "all main villains started out looking weak". Which is wrong, Cell and King Piccolo looked quite strong. Also, Toriyama can be wrong. Half of the strong characters in Z actually look strong. Super Buu was the tallest and most muscular form of Buu, and also the strongest. Freeza's final transformation dropped the slim and non-threatening look of his previous form and just looked like he was on a 'roid rage. Freeza's second and third forms are each more imposing than his first. Cell in all forms was much more intimidating than anyone else, and he is at his strongest in his most fit looking form. Et cetera.My point is that in Dragon Ball, the strongest characters usually don't look very strong at first, and the strong looking characters are usually weak. Toriyama said so himself, so there's really no point in arguing
So Nappa looked like he outmatched Goku more than Piccolo looked like he outmatched Goku? Nappa was nearly two heads taller than Goku, yes, but Goku was so small in comparison to Piccolo that Piccolo's hand was bigger than Goku's torso.Nappa did what, look strong and threatening? Yes, he did, and Toriyama agrees.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.