Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Where do you guys have Goku after losing SSJG (6)?

Eh? Goku never lost the form.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

What are your gaps between CG SSJ Goku, Cell (Not FP) and SSJ Gohan guys?

SS Goku - 36

SS Gohan - 55

Cell (powered up suppression) - 42
--- @ all out speed (powered up vs. Gohan) - 62

[Hugo Boss]

Where do you guys have Goku after losing SSJG (6)?

Eh? Goku never lost the form.

I think he is wondering about Goku's base and SS forms after SSG powered down.

[ZombieVito]

Where do you guys have Goku after losing SSJG (6)?

Eh? Goku never lost the form.

I think he is wondering about Goku's base and SS forms after SSG powered down.

Exactly. How much did his power went down?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Beerus said that the decrease was insignificant, so I would put a 5,8.

[ZombieVito]

Did SSJ increased his power at all?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Did SSJ increased his power at all?

Maybe at 5,85? There isn't any significant difference between Goku's forms (base, SS, SS2, SS3, SSGod) after he absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God. Beerus says this, Goku didn't notice a difference when changing forms, Toriyama said that Goku doesn't need SSGod anymore, and FnF implies that base Goku is about as strong as God Goku. The only transformation that seems to give Goku a significant increase is Super Saiyan God SS, but that increase is at most a x1.5 increase. Assuming that Super Saiyan God SS2 & Super Saiyan God SS3 are possible (Toriyama's comment about Goku not using SS2 & SS3 anymore implies they are possible), must have became like Super Saiyan Grade 2: they give a significant increase, but the ki consuption makes them worse than SSGSS.

[Hugo Boss]

I think he is wondering about Goku's base and SS forms after SSG powered down.

Exactly. How much did his power went down?

I guess anything between 1 and 6 works just fine, with SS being stronger than Base. Think that probably Beerus had SS3 Goku as a reference, so even if Goku powered down he was still much stronger than before. In RF I think Goku managed to control that power at its fullest, thus changing his SS color.

[xmysticgohanx]

Although Rild was stronger than Gohan, who the Perfect Files claimed didn't neglect his training... and we know Pure Buu is fodder to Ultimate Gohan.

Rild > GT Gohan > Ultimate Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure Buu

The Anime filler has Kid Buu > Super Buu. It has a couple of statements (but it still keeps the Super Buu > Kid Buu statements) plus FEATS of Goku doing better vs Buutenks then Gohan and the fake Gohan and Gotenks were stated in a guidebook iirc to be the same strength as the real ones.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Although Rild was stronger than Gohan, who the Perfect Files claimed didn't neglect his training... and we know Pure Buu is fodder to Ultimate Gohan.

Rild > GT Gohan > Ultimate Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure Buu

The Anime filler has Kid Buu > Super Buu. It has a couple of statements (but it still keeps the Super Buu > Kid Buu statements) plus FEATS of Goku doing better vs Buutenks then Gohan and the fake Gohan and Gotenks were stated in a guidebook iirc to be the same strength as the real ones.

GT follows Manga logic, not the contradictory Z anime: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8394889/1/

[RandomGuy96]

Although Rild was stronger than Gohan, who the Perfect Files claimed didn't neglect his training... and we know Pure Buu is fodder to Ultimate Gohan.

Rild > GT Gohan > Ultimate Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure Buu

The Anime filler has Kid Buu > Super Buu. It has a couple of statements (but it still keeps the Super Buu > Kid Buu statements) plus FEATS of Goku doing better vs Buutenks then Gohan and the fake Gohan and Gotenks were stated in a guidebook iirc to be the same strength as the real ones.

Anime filler still has Super Buu > Pure Buu. Those couple statements don't override every single other statement and feat. Almost all of them portray Super Buu as stronger (also, we all know how idiotic Pure Buu > Buuhan is as a general idea). Including several which are anime-exclusive.

[Blackstripe]

Fukkatsu no F base Goku should be a 1 in power, in comparison to SSG state's 6. I would say his Blueper Saiyan transformation would probably put him at 6 again. Maybe 7 due to training with Whis. I don't actually know if Golden Frieza is truly stronger than him, since from the reviews I've been hearing

Spoiler:

it sounds like Goku was going to win before he gets shot with a laser.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Completed my latest battle power list. The format was blatantly ripped off from from Zombie's newest list, though with some modifications (dividing characters by faction, listing heights for some of them because I wanted to, the presence of a handful of other movie characters, etc.). I just recently finished it and only read it over once, so I probably made a mistake or ten. Feedback and corrections are welcomed:

Powuh Levels

Random question: Have you ever considered doing GT?

[RandomGuy96]

Completed my latest battle power list. The format was blatantly ripped off from from Zombie's newest list, though with some modifications (dividing characters by faction, listing heights for some of them because I wanted to, the presence of a handful of other movie characters, etc.). I just recently finished it and only read it over once, so I probably made a mistake or ten. Feedback and corrections are welcomed:

Powuh Levels

Random question: Have you ever considered doing GT?

No. For a few reasons, but mostly because I haven't actually watched GT all the way through.

[Herms]

For what it's worth, I'm making a simple list in English of the major characters and their respective battle powers by trying to untangle the Google translation. I'll post it here when I'm done.

I threw together a rundown of Chou-Koshiki's post-Freeza stuff, now that they're apparently going to start revising things in light of RoF.

Spoiler:

Androids/Cell
Mecha Freeza: 160 million
No.17: 1.2 billion
Super Vegeta: 18 billion
SSj2 Gohan: 150 billion
Super Perfect Cell: 160 billion

Boo
Majin Vegeta: 600 billion
SSj3 Goku: 1.2 trillion
Majin Boo: 1 trillion
Good Boo: 400 billion
Pure Evil Boo: 600 billion

Evil Boo: 36 trillion
SSj3 Gotenks: 44 trillion
Ultimate Gohan: 60 trillion
Gohan-Boo: 96 trillion
Vegetto: 100 trillion
Super Vegetto: 5 quadrillion

Pure Boo: 1.2 trillion

BoG
SSj3 Goku: 1.68 trillion
SSj2 Vegeta: 259 billion
"My Bulma" Vegeta: 116 trillion

SSjG Goku: 10.5 quadrillion
Beerus: 15 quadrillion
Whis: 10~? quadrillion
[Curiously no reference to Toriyama's "6/10/15" quote]

GT (DB Hunt)
Goku: 7.5 billion
SSj: 375 billion
SSj3: 3 trillion
Oob: 7 trillion ~ 70 trillion (KKx10)

Pan: 700 million~1.4 billion
Trunks: 180 million (SSj2: 18 billion)

Redict: 9 billion
Lood: 30 billion (Lv.1) ~ 50 billion (Lv.2)

Rild: 7.5 billion
Hyper Mega Rild: 30 billion
Metal Rild: 60 billion (stronger than Mister Boo)
Metal Rild (absorbing all of M2's energy): 2.4 trillion (stronger than Pure Boo)

Baby
Baby (first appearance): 600 million
Baby (vs. Goten): 80 billion

Vegeta: 400 million
SSj2 Vegeta: 40 billion

Vegeta-Baby: 20 trillion
Super Baby 1: 40 trillion
Super Baby 2: 160 trillion

Oob: 7.7 billion ~ 77 billion
Merged Oob: 120 trillion

SSj3 Goku: 3.2 trillion
Golden Oozaru: 320 trillion
SSj4 Goku: 1.6 quadrillion
SSj4 Goku (max): 16 quadrillion

Oozrau Baby: 16 quadrillion

Super 17
No.17: 1.2 billion
New 17 (Hell Fighter 17): 4 billion
Super 17: 200 trillion
Super 17 (max): 20 quadrillion

Evil Dragons
Black Smoke Dragon: 14 trillion

Liang Xing Long: 200 million (max)
Wu Xing Long: 500 million ~ 10 trillion
Liu Xing Long: 600 million ~ 6 trillion

Qi Xing Long (mole): 700 million
Qi Xing Long (Pan): 7.5 quadrillion

Si Xing Long (suppressed): 8 billion
Si Xing Long (max): 16 quadrillion

San Xing Long (suppressed): 6 billion
San Xing Long (max): 12 quadrillion

Yi Xing Long: 100 quadrillion
Full Power SSj4 Goku: 160 quadrillion

Super Yi Xing Long: 1 quintillion
Minus Energy Power Ball: 7 quintillion

SSj4 Vegeta: 16~160 quadrillion

SSj4 Gogeta: 160 quintillion
Super Ultra Genki-Dama: 300 quintillion

........Well, that was a good way to brush up on my huge Japanese numbers. That guy really loves his inflation. He could probably work Nakao's "100 quintillion" joke into his scheme without too much effort.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Why does he have Redjic stronger than Rild??

[Polyphase Avatron]

Just a headcanon scale I came up with I figured I might as well post here. This ignores the statement that it takes 300 kilis to destroy a planet, since that was in the anime only so I consider it non-canon and it doesn't really make sense. Anyway, my scale:

1,000,000 power level = 1 kili
100,000 kilis = 1 God power scale

[thefalseprophecy]

Awesome work Herms! I'm curious as to why the numbers are so damn high.

[Saiga]

Some really weird things in there. Oob having a Kaio-ken level? GT Goku only being 7.5 billion?

[Herms]

Why does he have Redjic stronger than Rild??

It's supposed to be Rild's base form, where he fights evenly with base Goku, whereas Goku needed to become Super Saiyan to beat Redict. I haven't seen GT in ages so I don't know how accurate that is, but that's the site's view on things anyway.

Awesome work Herms! I'm curious as to why the numbers are so damn high.

The site's creator(s) are really big on inflation. They've even got a whole page explaining how big numbers are "necessary" for a "correct" understanding of the series. More than any particular number, it's the site's attitude that I find most off-putting.