The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:24 am

Who is the strongest that a Orange Piccolo Daimao could beat?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:26 am

Hellspawn28 wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:24 am Who is the strongest that a Orange Piccolo Daimao could beat?
Let's see.

My current multiplier for MUI is 100,000,000 base and let's be generous and have Piccolo be in between base and SS tier by the movie (He's base tier at the ToP).

That would give us a multiplier of 4,000,000 and make Daimao have a BP of 1,040,000,000. Enough to beat SSG2 Vegeta and everyone below him.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Yuji » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:11 am

Moro arc Boo runs a gauntlet.

1. Boo arc Ultimate Gohan
2. Super Boo Gohan
3. Boo arc SS Vegetto
4. BoG SSG Goku
5. RF Golden Freeza
6. SSR Goku Black

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Post by Koitsukai » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:30 am

Yuji wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:11 am Moro arc Boo runs a gauntlet.

1. Boo arc Ultimate Gohan
2. Super Boo Gohan
3. Boo arc SS Vegetto
4. BoG SSG Goku
5. RF Golden Freeza
6. SSR Goku Black
I don't recall exactly how strong he was, but he had Moro pinned down. A Moro stronger than his previous senior self, which was weaker than SSG but with his magic he was able to force god into SSB. I'd say Rejuvenated Moro should be SSG tier at least, without his magic. Buu was stronger than that, but probably not quite SSB tier. Goku said with SSB they'd be able to beat the Moro that beat Buu.

1) So, Buu should destroy Ultimate Gohan without breaking a sweat.

2) Same for Buuhan.

3) I guess here's where things aren't as easy for Buu, but still not a problem. Like a walk in the park but with some gunshots in the background.

4) He's definitely beating SSG Goku, he should do the same to a Moro arc SSG Goku.

5) This should be too much. I don't think the growth during the first half of DBS was big enough for SSG to challenge SSB. Against Golden Freeza, with his hax and all he probably can last more than other people on his tier, but shouldn't be even close to winning. I also don't think the Golden's drain could become a problem against somebody from a lower tier. Buu should take a beating worse than vs Kid Buu.

6) Black should beat Buu as easily as Vegito beat Buuhan. But with less flair and more murder.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm

SSj3 DBZ Vegito vs. Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta

If DBZ Vegito is claim to be stronger than SSj4 Goku, I wonder if SSj3 would be enough to win?
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Post by FPSSJ4_Goku » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:36 pm

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:54 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:24 am Who is the strongest that a Orange Piccolo Daimao could beat?
Orange probably has a multiplier comparable to UI. I think 25,000,000x is a good multiplier: 400x for SSJ3, then 10x for SSJG, 50x for SSJB (Already at 200,000x which is Ultimate Piccolo's level) then I think Sign is another 50x (10,000,000x base) and MUI/Orange form only needs to be 2-2.5x over that.

260x25,000,000 = 6.5 billion. Slightly stronger Boo Saga SSJ2 Gohan and Dabra. Gohan loses since he sucks, but Piccolo vs Dabra would be interesting to see who's the real demon king. My money's on Dabra since he has more abilities and isn't as arrogant.
Yuji wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:11 am Moro arc Boo runs a gauntlet.

1. Boo arc Ultimate Gohan
2. Super Boo Gohan
3. Boo arc SS Vegetto
4. BoG SSG Goku
5. RF Golden Freeza
6. SSR Goku Black
Moro at his weakest was SSJG level, so Boo no diffs the first 3 fights. Boo is probably on the bottom of SSJB level, so I think he can beat Golden Freeza. Not sure about Goku Black, but Boo's magic and regeneration can probably circumvent any power disvantages.
Hellspawn28 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm SSj3 DBZ Vegito vs. Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta

If DBZ Vegito is claim to be stronger than SSj4 Goku, I wonder if SSj3 would be enough to win?
Baby Vegeta. Super Baby Vegeta (Can't remember if it was 1 or 2) was the strongest Ki Goku'd ever felt, and Golden Oozaru was at least 10x that. So Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta was over 10x Super Vegetto, SSJ3 being a mere 8x boost isn't nearly enough for Vegetto to catch up.

Most people take that Vegetto ~ SSJ4 statement as a comparison of the power boosts. SSJ4 Goku in the Boo Saga would've been as strong as Super Vegetto, and a mid GT Super Vegetto would've been SSJ4 Goku level.
FPSSJ4_Goku wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:36 pm I'm planning on making a list of power levels for my OCs; should I post them here or in the power level thread
If it involves power levels, then the power levels thread. Plus that thread is in the fan works section, which is where OC should go.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Yuji » Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:48 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm SSj3 DBZ Vegito vs. Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta

If DBZ Vegito is claim to be stronger than SSj4 Goku, I wonder if SSj3 would be enough to win?
I think the Perfect files is referencing Super Vegetto, as SS3 is nothing more than a hypothetical. SS would b enough.

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Post by Seekeroftruth » Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:06 am

PICCOLO
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Post by ZombieVito » Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:18 pm

Seekeroftruth wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:06 am PICCOLO
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BROLY

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Broly's only chance is going Super Saiyan full power and that's still up the air because Piccolo's skill would definitely give him some extra boost. If Orange Piccolo can pull the Frost Makankosappo strategy then Broly is super dead.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Thani » Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:56 pm

Broly is at the very least a measure stick for Cell Max, so in raw power he should be strong enough to fight Orange Piccolo. Piccolo's skill in battle should help him get the win though.

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Post by XenoSaiyan » Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:01 pm

Who is the strongest character in Super that Omega Shenron can beat?

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Post by Thani » Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:46 am

XenoSaiyan wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:01 pm Who is the strongest character in Super that Omega Shenron can beat?
Straight-up? If we give GT the benefit of the doubt in the form of how it's being compared to Super in games and Heroes... regular Omega would cap, imo, at somewhere between SS Broly (BR) and Corrupted Merged Zamasu.

Basically he would be stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta but would be just as helpless against SSB Vegito/Gogeta as he was against SS4 Gogeta.

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XenoSaiyan wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:01 pm Who is the strongest character in Super that Omega Shenron can beat?
Initial Fused Zamasu, maybe.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:37 am

XenoSaiyan wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:01 pm Who is the strongest character in Super that Omega Shenron can beat?
Power scaling between Super and GT is tricky to do with them being their own continuity. I have no idea how to power scale him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Seekeroftruth » Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:12 am

Who is the toughest opponent this guy can beat in DB/DBZ?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GreatSaiyaman123 » Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:02 pm

Seekeroftruth wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 4:06 am PICCOLO

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BROLY
Anime: Piccolo can beat Ikari Broly easily, but would be on the ropes against SSJ Broly. It's a big difference, but Piccolo is good enough that he could keep up and maybe win with a Makkankosappo. If Broly goes LSSJ, Piccolo is cheetos dust.

Manga: We don't know yet, but as of right now Piccolo probably stomps. He's (True?) UI level: The same level Moro broke his hand punching.
XenoSaiyan wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:01 pm Who is the strongest character in Super that Omega Shenron can beat?
Going by Heroes, Post ToP SSJB is comparable to Ultra Full Power SSJ4. Yi Xing Long got 10x stronger by becoming Omega Shenron, but he was weaker than Goku, so he's not 10x stronger. KKx10 SSJB Goku would beat him.

I think Goku's gotten a couple times stronger post ToP, so the strongest person Omega Shenron would beat is SSJ Kefla.
Seekeroftruth wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:12 am Who is the toughest opponent this guy can beat in DB/DBZ?
Probably Yajirobe or Saiyan Saga Chaozu. He's probably the strongest patroler after Merus, but he's such a joke I can't see him going past 1000 at most.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:41 pm

SSj Movie 12 Gogeta vs. Buutenks

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:55 pm

Seekeroftruth wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:12 am Who is the toughest opponent this guy can beat in DB/DBZ?

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He should be around the 3,000 - 5,000 range IMO. He not only beat up a bunch of Freeza's soldiers but he also beat Cranberry who was 2,000+ back in Namek.

I can see him beating Nappa if the latter doesn't adapt and get stronger.

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Post by TobyS » Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:37 am

ZombieVito wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:55 pm
Seekeroftruth wrote: Sun Mar 05, 2023 10:12 am Who is the toughest opponent this guy can beat in DB/DBZ?

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He should be around the 3,000 - 5,000 range IMO. He not only beat up a bunch of Freeza's soldiers but he also beat Cranberry who was 2,000+ back in Namek.

I can see him beating Nappa if the latter doesn't adapt and get stronger.
I think between cranberry and Nappa is perfect.

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