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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Peach » Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:37 pm

What if Gohan got Beast early? Like, right when Super Buu killed Chi-Chi

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Post by FPSSJ4_Goku » Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:30 pm

Peach wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:37 pm What if Gohan got Beast early? Like, right when Super Buu killed Chi-Chi
He'd probably be strong enough to beat Super Vegetto
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Post by Koitsukai » Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:46 am

Peach wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:37 pm What if Gohan got Beast early? Like, right when Super Buu killed Chi-Chi
In the Buu arc, Gohan could've gotten a similar scenario to the one that unlocked Beast for him in the movie. Replace Cell with Buutenks and Piccolo with Goku. Buutenks after two or three blows should have Goku on the verge of death, if it weren't for SS3' lengthy hair that would absorb some of the force from Buutenks' attacks, giving Gohan the opportunity to lose it right before his father is sent to the graveyard, but after he is punched out of SS3, and left, probably, unconscious.
Beast Gohan surpasses Buutenks, but he isn't the type of come up with plans once he has the upper hand. So he kills Buutenks and later they revive the people he had absorbed. Or he does what Vegito did, and kills Kid Buu right after he leaves his body.

-In BoG, he is the one that fights Beerus, without SSG, if in fact he went from SSB tier to the Ultra tier in SH. After Beerus easily beats him, and asks about the SSG, they could do the ritual for Gohan. SSG Beast Gohan would be, well, a beast and give Beerus the fight a MSSB would.
Gohan wouldn't go to Beerus' planet to train with Whis, but the saiyans would, and the story would play out the same. Gohan should keep on training on Earth, though.

-RoF is an opportunity for Goku and Vegeta to fight, but once things get complicated, Gohan oneshots Freeza. There would be no need to go back in time, Gohan's too fast for Freeza.
-U6 arc is a piece of cake with Gohan there, no Monaka. A tired Hit has no chance against him.
-The FT arc has Gohan destroying Goku Black and Zamasu, after Vegeta and Vegeta lose to Black. Timeline saved.
-The ToP is easier this time, no need for Freeza, Yamcha is invited instead. On their own, nobody can take Jiren, but a father and son team up, like in the ending credits, gets the job done.

-Gohan is called out by Piccolo once Broly goes SS. They revived Freeza, AGAIN, we must have Freeza back, so we can have Broly. SSG Beast Gohan is by now as strong as, at least Sign from the ToP. He can put down Broly before he goes berserk. No need for Gogeta. Broly stays on Earth.

-Moro arc: once Moro reaches Earth, Gohan destroys Saganbo and gives Moro a helluva fight. By the time Goku arrives, Moro is quite battered, Gohan too. Goku's Sign kills Moro. Broly is there too, just in case. Vegeta arrives way too late.

-The Granola arc plays out the same, but with a weaker silver Goku. Gohan didn't get involved, so there's no reason for him to go to Cereal-sei. Buuut, Broly does go, since he lives on Earth now. Granola is too tired to fight Broly after defeating Vegeta, and Gas shows up and everything plays out like in the manga.
-SH: The gammas are defeated sooner and Cell Max is destroyed in his sleep.

Disclaimer: I assume Gohan would still slack off a bit, while also continue with his training. That's why I'm not placing him higher.

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Post by Myk » Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:27 pm

What if Jiya was sent to the earth instead of Jaco?

Let’s say, The galactic king found earth more valuable and wanted to make sure the job was done right and sent Jiya, to investigate the saiyan threat instead.

How does the story of dragonball change?

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Hero » Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:44 am

What if Goku went into the RoSaT a second time for the Cell Games?

As for why... I imagine Goku tells Gohan he expects his son to beat Cell since he believes in his power and potential. Gohan is flattered, but says he is not ready for that burden. Goku understands and goes into the time chamber again with his son.

- Goku learns SSJ2 in the chamber since he has already mastered SSJ. He is able to beat full power Perfect Cell.

- Goku makes sures Gohan still trains a bit during the 7 year gap. Dabura and Babidi are beaten quickly since Vegeta doesn't have his mid-life crisis. Buu is never woken up.

That's all I got, at least for the original manga.

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Post by Champa The Destroyer » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:55 pm

What if the earthlings went into the ROSAT in preparation for the arrival of Nappa and Vegeta?

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:37 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:55 pm What if the earthlings went into the ROSAT in preparation for the arrival of Nappa and Vegeta?
Well, then. The Human Z-Fighters would have been able to defeat Nappa's Saibamen, Nappa himself, and even the likes of Vegeta way, way before Son Goku would have showed up, as one year of training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber would have been enough to have the Human Z-Fighters far surpass Piccolo Daimaō's Power Level of 260, Raditz's Power Level of 1,500, Piccolo Junior (Without Weights)'s Power Level of 3,500, and Nappa's Power Level of 4,000. And a second year of training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber would have been enough to have the Human Z-Fighters far surpass Son Goku's Power Level of 8,000 or somewhat above 8,000 and even Vegeta's Power Level of 18,000.

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:50 pm

Hero wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:44 am What if Goku went into the RoSaT a second time for the Cell Games?

As for why... I imagine Goku tells Gohan he expects his son to beat Cell since he believes in his power and potential. Gohan is flattered, but says he is not ready for that burden. Goku understands and goes into the time chamber again with his son.

- Goku learns SSJ2 in the chamber since he has already mastered SSJ. He is able to beat full power Perfect Cell.

- Goku makes sures Gohan still trains a bit during the 7 year gap. Dabura and Babidi are beaten quickly since Vegeta doesn't have his mid-life crisis. Buu is never woken up.

That's all I got, at least for the original manga.
Son Goku and Son Gohan would have achieved SSJ2, FPSSJ2, and SSJ3 if they would have went in for a year this time around in the HTC and did the very exact same type of training that they did for the very first eleven months that they had spent in the HTC. Son Goku would have needed FPSSJ to defeat Perfect Cell during the Cell Games and wouldn't have died since FPSSJ Son Goku would have been far too strong for Perfect Cell to have been able to handle. And during the seven years of peace after the Cell Games Saga, but before the Majin Buu Saga, Son Goku would have trained Son Gohan and Son Goten with or without Piccolo Junior's help which would have meant that Madōshi Babidi and his Majin Minions would have been absolutely effortlessly defeated by Son Goku, Vegeta, and Son Gohan. Well you know after Son Goten would have defeated Trunks this time around in the Children's Division of the Budokai too.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:41 pm

Champa The Destroyer wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:55 pm What if the earthlings went into the ROSAT in preparation for the arrival of Nappa and Vegeta?
Yamucha kills the Saibamen pretty easily. They could be strong enough to take out Nappa, but lose to Vegeta. Vegeta is willing to wait for Goku to arrive until he starts taking everyone out one by one. Chaozu goes down first, and Yamucha dies next. Tenshinhan would be able to put up a fight, but still loses. Kuririn, Piccolo, and Gohan are the last ones left. Vegeta knows the Kienzan attack, so he would able to doge it. Piccolo will try to grab Vegeta's tail, and fails badly. Vegeta kills Piccolo, and causes Gohan to sent out a rage boost. Gohan would hold off Vegeta for a bit until Goku shows up.
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:42 pm

1) What if Aeos was never evil to begin with and she had recruited her Warriors In Black Clothes in order to form her version of Chronoa's Time Patrol?

2) What if Chronoa had chosen Bardock from Dragon Ball Z as her very first Time Patroller instead of Sealas and then Future Trunks: Xeno?

3) What if Master Mutaito had been able to train under Master Korin and then drink the Ultra Divine Water before Piccolo Daimaō had been born?

4) What if Grandpa Son Gohan didn't die at the hands of Great Ape Son Goku?

5) What if Towa wasn't evil to begin with and instead of her creating Mira and then sleeping with Mira to have Fu, Towa had went after one of the male Saiyans from Planet Vegeta or one of the male Z-Fighters from Planet Earth?

6) What if Saiyan tails absolutely never stopped growing back even if someone like Kami himself would have tried to have removed Son Goku's tail using his Namekian Magic?

7) What if Son Goku had never met Chi-Chi from Yamcha and Puar having beaten him to her?

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Post by XenoSaiyan » Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:27 pm

What if Android 21 was canon and debuted in the Android arc? How would the series change course from there?

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Post by Hero » Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:10 pm

What if Goku was taught about God ki during his training with Kami/Popo? Would he even able to learn to use it during that time?

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:18 am

what if Goku did kill Shin in the Buu saga seeing that he was threaten to do so.
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Post by Peach » Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:48 pm

What if 17 and 18 learned the Fusion Dance in the Buu Saga?

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:34 am

What if Kuririn train on North Kai's Planet after he died from Freeza and lurn Kaioken. How strong would he be afterwards?
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Post by Peril » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:17 am

Peach wrote: Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:48 pm What if 17 and 18 learned the Fusion Dance in the Buu Saga?
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Post by TobyS » Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:30 pm

XenoSaiyan wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:27 pm What if Android 21 was canon and debuted in the Android arc? How would the series change course from there?
She couldn't be finished without buus cells who wasn't around back then.
Yamcha almost certainly did not cheat on Bulma:
He was afraid of Women, Bulma was the flirty one.
Yamcha wanted to get married (it was his gonna be his wish)
He suggested they settle down in the Trunks saga.
Alternate future Trunks is not a reliable source.
Toriyama wanted new SSJ Kids and not make new characters.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:58 pm

What if they dealt with Hirudegarn instead of Buu in DBZ for the main story?
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Post by Almighty Majin » Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:21 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:42 pm 1) What if Aeos was never evil to begin with and she had recruited her Warriors In Black Clothes in order to form her version of Chronoa's Time Patrol?

2) What if Chronoa had chosen Bardock from Dragon Ball Z as her very first Time Patroller instead of Sealas and then Future Trunks: Xeno?

3) What if Master Mutaito had been able to train under Master Korin and then drink the Ultra Divine Water before Piccolo Daimaō had been born?

4) What if Grandpa Son Gohan didn't die at the hands of Great Ape Son Goku?

5) What if Towa wasn't evil to begin with and instead of her creating Mira and then sleeping with Mira to have Fu, Towa had went after one of the male Saiyans from Planet Vegeta or one of the male Z-Fighters from Planet Earth?

6) What if Saiyan tails absolutely never stopped growing back even if someone like Kami himself would have tried to have removed Son Goku's tail using his Namekian Magic?

7) What if Son Goku had never met Chi-Chi from Yamcha and Puar having beaten him to her?
1) Aeos' version of the Time Patrol might end up being more competent especially since Aeos seems to be willing to take matters into her won hands as well while also being stronger than Chronoa.

2) Bardock likely wouldn't be corrupted like Sealas ended up and would likely just be Chronoa's most reliable soldier.

3) If Mutaito got his potential unlocked by the Ultra Divine Water, he should be able to defeat King Piccolo judging from his power during the anime filler with the pendulum room. I think Mutaito's death played a major part in Master Roshi and Crane Hermit going their separate ways so perhaps they might be on better terms.

4) Goku might be a bit less ignorant of the world and during the Baba Tournament, she might have revived a different person, perhaps Bardock.

5) Towa would find the perfect specimen, Yamcha and they would have a half-demon half-Earthling child who would have great potential.

6) Vegeta might have resorted to transforming via artificial moon on Namek, but he'd still lose to Freeza eventually. By the time Super Saiyan becomes a common thing, SSJ4 will probably appear in the Android saga. The androids and Cell are powerless to do anything. Babidi likely doesn't get the chance to revive Buu. DBS would result in God Ki SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta beating everyone.

7) Gohan would never be born which makes beating Raditz a lot more difficult. If Raditz is somehow beaten though, no Gohan means that Piccolo is not softened and he has no reason to sacrifice his life either. If they do need to go to Namek in order to revive Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu due to the Dragon Ball 1 year time limit, then Krillin and Piccolo go together. From this point on Piccolo basically has to pull more of his own weight here and might end up stronger throughout each saga.
Hellspawn28 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:34 am What if Kuririn train on North Kai's Planet after he died from Freeza and lurn Kaioken. How strong would he be afterwards?
If Krillin learned the Kaioken, he might be more confident in training with Goku during the 3 year training for the Androids. I think Krillin would be able to surpass Namek Freeza within that gap.
Hellspawn28 wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:58 pm What if they dealt with Hirudegarn instead of Buu in DBZ for the main story?
I'm going to assume that base Hirudegarn will take the place of Majin Buu and then transformed Hirudegarn will appear around the time Super Buu did. Considering how strong Hirudegarn was, it'd be a rather hopeless situation until Old Kai is released and spills the beans on Potara fusion. I think that would be the only way of winning here.

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:31 pm

Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:21 am
Steven Bloodriver wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:42 pm 1) What if Aeos was never evil to begin with and she had recruited her Warriors In Black Clothes in order to form her version of Chronoa's Time Patrol?

2) What if Chronoa had chosen Bardock from Dragon Ball Z as her very first Time Patroller instead of Sealas and then Future Trunks: Xeno?

3) What if Master Mutaito had been able to train under Master Korin and then drink the Ultra Divine Water before Piccolo Daimaō had been born?

4) What if Grandpa Son Gohan didn't die at the hands of Great Ape Son Goku?

5) What if Towa wasn't evil to begin with and instead of her creating Mira and then sleeping with Mira to have Fu, Towa had went after one of the male Saiyans from Planet Vegeta or one of the male Z-Fighters from Planet Earth?

6) What if Saiyan tails absolutely never stopped growing back even if someone like Kami himself would have tried to have removed Son Goku's tail using his Namekian Magic?

7) What if Son Goku had never met Chi-Chi from Yamcha and Puar having beaten him to her?
1) Aeos' version of the Time Patrol might end up being more competent especially since Aeos seems to be willing to take matters into her won hands as well while also being stronger than Chronoa.

2) Bardock likely wouldn't be corrupted like Sealas ended up and would likely just be Chronoa's most reliable soldier.

3) If Mutaito got his potential unlocked by the Ultra Divine Water, he should be able to defeat King Piccolo judging from his power during the anime filler with the pendulum room. I think Mutaito's death played a major part in Master Roshi and Crane Hermit going their separate ways so perhaps they might be on better terms.

4) Goku might be a bit less ignorant of the world and during the Baba Tournament, she might have revived a different person, perhaps Bardock.

5) Towa would find the perfect specimen, Yamcha and they would have a half-demon half-Earthling child who would have great potential.

6) Vegeta might have resorted to transforming via artificial moon on Namek, but he'd still lose to Freeza eventually. By the time Super Saiyan becomes a common thing, SSJ4 will probably appear in the Android saga. The androids and Cell are powerless to do anything. Babidi likely doesn't get the chance to revive Buu. DBS would result in God Ki SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta beating everyone.

7) Gohan would never be born which makes beating Raditz a lot more difficult. If Raditz is somehow beaten though, no Gohan means that Piccolo is not softened and he has no reason to sacrifice his life either. If they do need to go to Namek in order to revive Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu due to the Dragon Ball 1 year time limit, then Krillin and Piccolo go together. From this point on Piccolo basically has to pull more of his own weight here and might end up stronger throughout each saga.
Hellspawn28 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:34 am What if Kuririn train on North Kai's Planet after he died from Freeza and lurn Kaioken. How strong would he be afterwards?
If Krillin learned the Kaioken, he might be more confident in training with Goku during the 3 year training for the Androids. I think Krillin would be able to surpass Namek Freeza within that gap.
Hellspawn28 wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:58 pm What if they dealt with Hirudegarn instead of Buu in DBZ for the main story?
I'm going to assume that base Hirudegarn will take the place of Majin Buu and then transformed Hirudegarn will appear around the time Super Buu did. Considering how strong Hirudegarn was, it'd be a rather hopeless situation until Old Kai is released and spills the beans on Potara fusion. I think that would be the only way of winning here.
Thank you very much, Almighty Majin.

1) What if Aeos stayed as the Supreme Kai of Time?

2) What if Mechikabura wasn't evil?

3) What if the version of Chronoa from Dragon Ball: Xenoverse recruited a single version of Bardock as her first Time Patroller?

4) What if West Supreme Kai survived instead of Shin?

5) What if the Super Dragon Balls didn't exist?

6) What if Son Goku married Bulma, Suno, Annin, Launch, or some other Waifu instead of Chi-Chi?

7) What if the Z-Fighters had always trained together as a group?

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