But as Herms explains in this he surpassed it by absorbing it into him. This statement is not one about strength or even indicating that he is still as strong now as he was back then in the fight. Vegeta is quite literally saying that he surpassed SSJG which he did, he's not saying that he is still that strong.ryan s wrote:Episode 15
Context: Vegeta stands out in the middle of nowhere, reflecting on Goku's fight with Beerus. a few months later
Vegeta: "He surpassed it. Super Saiyan God. The level of gods."
Significance: Both Vegeta and the narrator mention that Goku has "surpassed the level of (the) god(s)" (神の域を超えた/kami no iki wo koeta; literally "surpassed the realm of the gods"). This is a twist on the stock Japanese phrase 神の域に達している/kami no iki ni tasshiteiru, literally meaning to reach the realm of the gods, but used to indicate when someone has reached an extremely high level of skill, in anything from martial arts to driving skill. In most cases the phrase is used metaphorically, but in this case Goku has just become a literal god, so it's more apt than usual. The interesting thing of course is that rather than talk about Goku simply "reaching" a godly level (as in the standard phrase), Vegeta and the narrator instead talk about Goku "surpassing". Most likely this is reference to how Goku absorbed the Super Saiyan God form into himself. Interestingly, in Dragon Ball Heroes, this SSG-Absorbed base form was referred to as "Saiyan Who Has Surpassed God" (神を超えたサイヤ人).
And this means what exactly? He is stating three distinct things, it does not say where they rank or in what order he needs to surpass them. Clearly Beerus would be the final hurdle to surpass but the context of this dialogue does not say that.ryan s wrote:episode 16 i will surpass Goku with my own power, i will surpass the level of the Gods (Context: after Goten is amazed that Goku is now “second in the universe” next after Beerus, Goku tells Vegeta he’ll be the next to become SSG Vegeta: “If it’s only going to get me to second place, then I don’t need that power! Just wait and see, I’ll get stronger relying solely on my own power! I’ll surpass Super Saiyan God, Beerus, and you!”)
Goku training does not mean that the "Crimson flame", as Beerus called it, didn't die down after the fight. Goku may be training but as he has been training the original strength has slowly lowered. For instance, in Boku No Hero Academy the "One for all" power was also called something akin to a flame that is passed down from individual to individual and the original bearer, once he has transferred the power, will still be able to use the embers that remain for a while. Before the flame finally dies out within them and then the original bearer cannot use or call upon that power any more.ryan s wrote:episode 16 shows that goku kept up his training because he wanted to get even stronger
no he did not get weaker
Nothing you've said proves that Goku still has the strength he did back when he fought Beerus. And no, it's not a stupid argument to make.ryan s wrote:if you think i am the plug headed one you really need help your arguments are poor and you don`t listen, i won`t argue with someone who just flat out is ignorant and comes up with irrational reasons for why i am wrong, your arguments and reasoning is terrible, you interpretation of statements is even worse
there is no reason he would not in the first place what a stupid argument
If SSG is not stronger than Rage Vegeta why does Beerus rank Goku as the second strongest he has ever fought apart from Monaka?ryan s wrote:No SSG is not stronger than Rage Vegeta for the 100th time
SSGSS Goku x10 < Beerus
Rage Vegeta > 10% Beerus
2. SSJG Goku
3. Rage Vegeta