Ok? The only thing I’m not understanding is what about what I said is supposedly incorrect...jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:26 amI don't think you're understanding us.dva_raza wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:13 pm..I wasn't saying they are.MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:38 pm When Super Saiyan was introduced it was treated as this legendary thing that only happens once every hundred years.
Even when Gohan, Vegeta, and Future Trunks all obtain it later on we see the mental and emotional anguish they had to go through to achieve it.
And then the two little rugrats just turn Super Saiyan for funsies to the complete disbelief of Gohan and Vegeta.
It's absolutely taking the piss out of the importance of Super Saiyan. Neither Abed or Jjgp are framing it as a bad thing by the way. That's just what it is.
I was saying that I don't think the way SS progressed in universe is due to the importance of what had been established conceptually being lost. To me it was a conscious intent because it makes logical sense.
Trunks and Goten didn't turn for the funsies. They had more facility for it just as Gohan had more potential than Goku.
More like the only hadwave I see is them adjusting its concept for Vegeta to obtain it but that's all.
Yes, logically that all makes sense and everything. But in the context of the story, going from Goku et al having to go through the ringer mentally, physically, and emotionally to achieve Super Saiyan, only for two little brats to do it on command as their little plaything cuz genetics does cheapen the form narratively speaking. But it's cool because the story acknowledges that and makes it the joke. It's not about whether it makes sense, it's about how it waters down the significance.
Your point is things like the Potara, SSGod, the zenkais, SS for Vegeta, are elements that were introduced with rules or conditions that then became obsolete. (And that you have no issue with that.) Great.
And I was saying specifically, in the context of the story, Goten and Trunks getting SS isn’t an example of something becoming obsolete for plot. Since from what I’ve seen it’s just a thing in DB for kids being naturally stronger than parents, Super Saiyan or not.
And I dunno about you but ABED literally said “why are Goten and Trunks even stronger than Gohan at their age? Because the plot needs them to be”
So if you also think it’s plot > logic regarding that specifically, that’s your opinion. That’s very simplistic and not strictly how it happens.
Not every element is inserted for the need to make a plot. Plot can actually write itself as result of notions that were already previously established.