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The descriptions given for UI make sense with this but what's actually displayed in the series is different. First is when UI Omen first showed up, it rose Goku's energy so that it managed to shake the World of the Void which only Geran managed to do before. You can say whatever about the logistic o...

I second the previous posters, it totally depends on the civilization and the fighter. RRA Goku essentially could do this with Earth in that arc but good luck with him trying to do that with Planet Vegeta. Planet Vegeta would probably need someone like Ginyu to stop an Oozaru King Vegeta and then a...

I second the previous posters, it totally depends on the civilization and the fighter. RRA Goku essentially could do this with Earth in that arc but good luck with him trying to do that with Planet Vegeta. Planet Vegeta would probably need someone like Ginyu to stop an Oozaru King Vegeta and then af...

I mean, Jiren is already a being that can overpower Gods of Destruction, and Goku pretty much surpassed him by now. Goku's there already, thanks to UI. Yeah, that's what most would think but the implication of the new chapter is that Vegeta may get a GoD technique that will help him rival UI Goku. ...

1) Goku becoming stronger than Beerus literally has nothing to do with including more fighting protagonist in the cast, thats an incredibly odd and weak counter argument. 2) They'd just need to include villains that the others could fight and defeat, while Goku and others are to busy fighting the m...

I'm glad they're keeping Beerus stronger than Goku still. It gives his character purpose, besides It's just more interesting than the opposite "Saiyans are the best", "Goku is the strongest" scenario. Imma have to disagree because I think Beerus's could serve more than just a go...

So, just to be clear, I'm not implying that this is a bad thing or saying that I didn't like it. Particularly, I find it interesting that there are other Godly techniques besides Ultra Instinct and that their use (or mastery) seems to be conditioned to how well it fits with the user. But rememberin...

So, just to be clear, I'm not implying that this is a bad thing or saying that I didn't like it. Particularly, I find it interesting that there are other Godly techniques besides Ultra Instinct and that their use (or mastery) seems to be conditioned to how well it fits with the user. But rememberin...

Toriyama's lines are not contradictory. Since RoF Freeza faced a stronger version of Goku [Blue] than the one Beerus faced [Red]. So technically the suppressed Beerus Goku faced was weaker than Golden Freeza. Every other enemy after that too. Since Goku got more powerful as the series went on. Yet ...

My argument is better than your one trying to find a flaw where there isn’t any. The simple fact is: According to Piccolo, Moro is at a level beyond what training alone can overcome. Jiren (not Geran) is exactly the the type of character that trains alone. Solo! There’s just no way to deny Piccolo’...

After Spirit Control SSBE Vegeta delivered a full-power power-punch to Moro’s gut and it still had no effect at all, Piccolo said that Prime Moro’s power, is ”at a level that can’t be overcome with training alone.” Jiren trained alone. While I'm not stating how Geran compares to Moro. I do believe ...

Again you missed where Toriyama addressed your claim. He stated that Beerus is stronger than Freeza cause he "preserved his dignity" to be a future opponent. Which automatically makes Beerus stronger than Freeza, Hit, Black etc. Since he will fight later. Once again, I know what he said b...

After Spirit Control SSBE Vegeta delivered a full-power power-punch to Moro’s gut and it still had no effect at all, Piccolo said that Prime Moro’s power, is ”at a level that can’t be overcome with training alone.” Jiren trained alone. While I'm not stating how Geran compares to Moro. I do believe ...

You missed it where Toriyama stated Beerus is the strongest in universe 7. That includes over Freeza. So he is saving the STRONGEST for later which coincides with his next enemy "always" strongest narrative. I didn't miss anything Do you acknowledge that RoF takes places after BoG? If so ...

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30781&start=32440#p1669243 It's either "Beerus is stronger than because he's a future goal' or "Freeza is stronger because antagonists are always stronger than the last ones." Toriyama is prone to contradicting himself (wh...

Hit faced a stronger Blue Goku than the one Freeza faced. Also Freeza coming after Beerus does not count because Toriyama already stated why he didn't make Beerus lose to Goku. It was to "preserve the dignity" of Beerus. In order to "give Goku a future" to shoot for. Beerus figh...

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=30781&start=32440#p1669243 It's either "Beerus is stronger than because he's a future goal' or "Freeza is stronger because antagonists are always stronger than the last ones." Toriyama is prone to contradicting himself (wh...

For example, Jiren can't be anywhere near Beerus, since TWO "always" stronger enemies are ahead of him; in Broly and Moro. Yet, Beerus is still reserved for much later . This is due to the future prophecy to take place. His time will come as the "always" stronger enemy. Therefor...

IIRC Raditz calling himself an "elite" but then Vegeta called himself an "elite" and Raditz "low-class." I feel as if both are possible because Raditz could just be boasting or Vegeta could just be demeaning so is there a definitive truth to this?

If we're talking about the fight itself then Dyspo vs Gohan is far better. For an opponent, I much prefer Kafla. In my ideal situation, Gohan and Kafla (both nerfed to SSG Level) fighting each other because the former is preventing the latter from trying to fight a stamina-less Goku would be way bet...