Kanzenshuu

I love it. It's intimidating. I also like the idea of deep red SS hair, like on the chocolate, should that come up in the tourney.

I have to say, I prefer how they're handling Goku to just about anything else. I like seeing how he fights when he matches himself evenly to someone's power, lets them catch hold of him, and allows them to force him to resist. It's fun for me. He'll get serious in time. Let him enjoy this once in a ...

Gotenks is weaker than he was. Surviving a hakai ball of that magnitude didn't take as much power as you thought. You just have to get creative. Goku is around Fat Buu level.

I like it too. I also like Goku purposefully letting his guard down and holding back so he can see what each and every opponent is really made of.

In order to truly power scale this show, you have to find feats of power comparing two people where the narrative is also not pushing technique and/or experience and/or intelligence over raw strength. And there aren't a lot of those.

Yes, in almost every way. No, it's not generally quite as good, and it's lows are quite low (and for the worst of reasons), but DBZ isn't as far above as people say it is. Rewatching DBZ, I find myself able to say quite a lot of the same negative things that many of us say about DBS, and almost as c...

Obni's hits on Ultimate Gohan made him grimace. He's SS2 tier probably, maybe higher.

I know, I just thought it was relevant to the thread, and if it's true, it would mean that there are in fact weight-carrying battles going on outside of what we see, which has been a commonly wondered thing.

Roshi said less than half the warriors remained before eliminating a couple.

For the people that use one base, please explain to me how SSR Black is comparable to SSB Goku when the former's base is 400 times stronger than the latter. Base Black IS an SBG type base because it's a future Goku inhabited by a literal god, and a prodigy at that, and SSR is about a 10 times boost...

I'd like Hit, Cabba, Jiren, Dyspo and Toppo to survive, outside of U7. Other than that, I'm ok with all erasures.

I had a couple head-to-head battle ideas. I would be curious if people come up with the same answers as me. 1) SSBerserker Kale vs. Ultimate Gohan 2) SSRage Trunks vs. Android 17 3) SSGod Goku vs. Ultimate Gohan 4) True Golden Frieza vs. Android 17 5) Piccolo vs. Zamasu 6) SSGod Vegeta vs. Dyspo 7)...

For the people that use one base, please explain to me how SSR Black is comparable to SSB Goku when the former's base is 400 times stronger than the latter. Base Black IS an SBG type base because it's a future Goku inhabited by a literal god, and a prodigy at that, and SSR is about a 10 times boost...

Glad we're not in charge of it, reading this thread! Off the top of my head, though I'm sure I could make a list 50 times this length if I had a notepad and pencil and rewatched the entire series. I also think I could make a list at least half as long for Z, as a disclaimer. Production: I'd just tri...

I can't think of a single instance where this breaks the power scale of the show with 100% certainty, assuming Goku only recently learned to access the SSG form (say sometime very close to the beginning of the Zen Exhibition match).

Loved it. Some of the commentary was quite useful, too. I also now feel much more liberated applying some of the manga power scaling of Goku's forms to the anime, since it's evident that the anime is behind the manga conceptually, and trying to catch up. Great choices and placement of music. Good an...

Who cares how Goku went SSG and that he didn't before? Yeah, people are getting way too caught up on that one detail whilst ignoring the actual content of the episode, which I'd say was really quite good. Obviously the characters aren't going to dedicate several minutes to rambling about Super Saiy...

We don't know how fast light is in the DB universe. The cast surpassed our real life light speed in Z. Who cares how Goku went SSG and that he didn't before? Maybe he only recently figured out how to access it. I'll give you that he could have used it more within the ToP, but I won't budge beyond th...

It's explicitly stated by Whis that thinking of Zeno's strength in terms of battle power is the incorrect way of thinking about it.

>SSJG was absorbed. >nvm, Goku can use it and get an increase in power too. He may have made it his own, but we have no reason to assume he could access it in its entirety after he fought Beerus. This is half the reason the Saiyans bothered to train with Whis. And we certainly have no reason to thi...