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picc wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:37 am Current Android 18 vs

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Master Roshi (Tournament of Power) vs. Semi Perfect Cell Tien's Tri-Beam (Cell saga) vs. Frieza (Namek) Gohan (after Z Sword training) vs. SSJ2 Gottenks Super Perfect Cell vs. 18 and Krillin (Tournament of Power) Bardock & His Squad (as Great Apes) vs. Dodoria -Roshi possibly -possibly Ten (I'm...

There's another one I love that I haven;t seen anyone mention yet. It's probably my runner-up favorite. It's when Toriyama reveals things about a character's newfound power based on their body language compared to other characters when observing a fight (and sometimes during). I'll name my favorite ...

I personally like when there is a character who can transform anytime to become stronger but doesn't want to do that until forced to do so. That includes not only obvious drawbacks like draining power, losing control or being slower like Trunks against Cell, but also silly things like Zarbon just l...

If we can count Beerus as a villain, then I'm changing my vote. He's a character I actually genuinely like.

Even speaking as someone who genuinely enjoys the Gohan high school stuff, I wouldn't like it if it didn't lead into the larger Boo arc. It's enjoyable precisely because (along with the preparation for the 25th Budokai) it's the calm before the storm. And it definitely did go too long in the anime w...

Lampshading. When he's used a trope a few too many times, he'll subvert it or call it out, like pointing out drawing out a person's power is not a unique power. I admit I'm pretty new to this one. Would another example of this be Vegeta saying "It's a Super Saiyan bargain sale!" after wit...

How is the ending of the manga and the ending of GT not qualified for true endings? Anything is possible when you make up arbitrary rules. Oh man. I guess I shouldn't be discussing the deeper implications of what makes up an ending in a thread about endings . My bad. So go ahead and explain to me w...

I like how Toriyama was willing to subvert expectations by doing the opposite of what people expected. Like when Goku comes back as the main character in the Buu saga after so much time spent building up Gohan. It was the classic father-son passing of the torch, except Goku ends up taking the torch...

It's not confirmed that they'll feature in Super Hero. Possible but not confirmed https://twitter.com/DBSChronicles/status/1466247497651605504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1466247497651605504%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbr.com%2Fdragon-ball-figure-n...

Like any storyteller, Akira Toriyama has certain storytelling devices that he employs to tell his story, and these become evident the further you get into his original manga. Which example (of any trope) sticks out to you as one of your favorite uses of a trope? For me, it's the idea that there are ...

. Ergo, the series can't have a truly satisfying ending because no noteworthy motifs are being fulfilled and tied up in a pretty bow by the end of it all. The theme is self improvement and always climbing new mountains to better one self. So yes it has 2 maybe 3 “endings” that satisfy this. This is...

I'm OK with him not having a major role as long as it's an important one. If Pan is important in the movie, Piccolo training her at least means he'll be effective.

I don't feel like the ending builds Oob as Goku's successor. It's moreso that Goku sees the reincarnation of the most powerful foe he's faced in a good kid, and wants to show him the ropes. It's about passing on what he's learned while also pushing himself to still get stronger. What Oob decides to...

Goku flying off with Uub at least feels optimistic and appropriate for Goku's character. The guy is so obsessed with fighting that he had his strongest enemy reincarnated and waited a decade just to fight him again. That's kind of insane, but it's also totally something Goku would do. The only prob...

Saiyaman works if you space it out over time, instead of all at once like at the beginning of the Boo saga. Unfortunately, this is not the story that Toriyama had in mind. Otherwise we could have gotten a great saga of stories revolving around Gohan's high school life and role as a crimefighter. Sa...

Interesting choices. As idiotic as Vegeta is during his fight with Cell, I think I still rooted for him there because Perfect Cell's smugness annoys me as much as Vegeta's arrogance (I guess it's supposed to). Maybe it's more accurate that I rooted for neither of them :lol: . And while Vegeta made ...

It's super rare but yes. I definitely was pulling for Piccolo Junior the first time I watched the 23rd TB as I had watched DBZ first like most Westerners and knew what he'd become (one of my favorite characters). Now that I'm older, less so because Goku really freaking deserved that W. Strangely, o...

Not once. None of the villains or antagonists in Dragon Ball are written compellingly enough -- with regards to having ambiguous mortality or a cause that can be related to on a human level -- to have ANY kind of sympathy for them or want to see them succeed in any fashion. That's not necessarily a...

Dragon Ball - Tenshinhan (Wonderfully nuanced character arc that is often overlooked and underappreciated) I don't consider Tenshinhan a villain in Dragon Ball (although the anime goes to great lengths with filler to make him one). Antagonist, yes, but he's ultimately just a misguided youngster. Th...