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Toriyama has OPiccolo on par with Goku Orange Piccolo isn't Ultimate Gohan. promotional infomation for the movie states that Gamma 1 and 2 are the Ultimate Androids(pre-Cell max). Previously that was what 17 was stated to be and he was the strongest Android. Android 17 wasn't as strong as Goku eith...

When was UI shown in the movie, though? I honestly cannot remember that. When Goku was turning Blue it briefly appeared. :clap: Yeah... I'm out. So the silver haired Goku that was shown was not Ultra Instinct now? Is that really what you've decided to go for? Of all the possible routes to take?

Cool, then whatever manga development puts SSB Goku way above Ultimate Gohan is disregarded. The movies follow the manga just the same. Dragon Ball Super Broly does not follow Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F, it follows the Tournament of Power arc in Dragon Ball Super, either version. When was UI show...

The movie follows the movies, there’s no anime-only forms and there’s a SSB aura unlike in the manga. They showed and mentioned Jiren, in both movies. Mentioned the Tournament of Power. Ultra Instinct was shown. It follows the series. You tell me which one you think is most likely to be the case. S...

Well, aside of those forms not being part of the movie continuity yet, because if the higher forms were in fact taken into account, it would make more sense to think Gohan and Piccolo can power up to become only SSB level contenders(the default DBS form), instead of the strongest available form in ...

I've noticed that as well. They also keep forgetting that Power Creeping exists. Ultimate Gohan in SH is likely stronger than he ever was previously. That's another assumption. Why is he likely stronger than ever? He stopped training and grew weaker post Cell. He stopped training and grew weaker po...

It seems you just decided in your head that Gohan wasn’t equal to Goku in the Tournament of Power and you are trying to find reasons to validate this opinion. I don't need to decide that, it was outright said. Krillin said that "Makes you wonder if he could get stronger than Goku if he quit hi...

May I ask what exactly are you basing this on? Gohan was pretty much implied to be on par with Goku. The only thing that was said is that he could be stronger than Goku if he quits his job and devotes to training, since he managed to get that strong in such a short time. Which of course means he's ...

You're not understanding how much stronger Goku and Vegeta got in base form alone before even equating in Super Saiyan Blue. Gohan was most definitely Super Saiyan Blue level, and it was implied he had trained for some time after that, and only stopped some time before SH. His rage boosts also coul...

Gohan started well below Blue, he was at that level around the time he got eliminated as within the 48mins of the ToP he went from Buu Saga Ultimate Gohan level, to tying Super Saiyan Kefla. He proceeded to get far stronger than even that in the Moro Arc. He is most certainly Super Saiyan Blue leve...

But at the same time just because Frieza says he needs to be serious to beat Kale doesn't mean he wouldn't effortlessly wipe the floor with her if he were either.

He wasn't Blue level in the manga during the ToP. He certainly wasn't current Blue level either after his two months of training. Like Buu and Android 17 he's a step below that level. He was evenly matched with Kefla and Kale was already low SSB level. There's no way Kefla wasn't high SSB level. Th...

He wasn't Blue level in the manga during the ToP. He certainly wasn't current Blue level either after his two months of training.

Like Buu and Android 17 he's a step below that level.

He said he was on par with Goku and Co. That could mean a lot.

It just means he's not a chump like the Earthlings any more and is more comparable to the Saiyans who get to be useful.

Toriyama never said they were Blue level so it's not ignoring anything.

They were shown to be on a level near equal to Ultimate Gohan. In the manga Ultimate Gohan is well below Super Saiyan Blue level.

The Gammas are only at the level of Ultimate Gohan at best who isn't Super Saiyan Blue level either.

Where he stands throughout chapter 98 seems to put him just one step above Orange Piccolo who doesn't seem like he's that far off from Ultimate Gohan. At best I can see Orange Piccolo and Cell Max being about as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta It does look as though Cell Max will be stro...

Well they're weaker than the Transformed Moro.

Where do we rank Cell Max in the manga? Toriyama's comment about him should still apply so he should be below Broly.

Ultimate Gohan knocked him on his ass. He couldn't even do that to Saganbo.

I wouldn't even rank Cell Max on the level of regular Moro.

Well I was hoping the new arc was going to start with chapter 100 but at this rate it'll be lucky if this arc ends with chapter 100.