Kanzenshuu

I'll have to look into the anime portion again. Toriyama's own script served to show that Base Gohan > Piccolo was the case.

Hmm. I'll have to rewatch this whole segment. But what about the sparring later? Didn't Piccolo Vs Gohan suggest they were on par with each other later?

So you think the only reason Gohan did well against a stronger Tagoma is because he caught him off guard and that Base Gohan doesn't actually outperform Piccolo?

Lol, Base Goku (BoG) WITHOUT Kaioken please.

I think power levels are consistent. Or should be from an in universe perspective. Skills don't really matter all that much in the Z portion of the saga. And I think the feats should supersede guidebook logic. For example, 100% Freeza is far closer to Super Saiyan Goku than Zarbon is to Vegeta if we...

Base Goku (BoG) vs Base Gotenks (BoG)

Piccolo gets tanked by Tagoma and Gohan fights him decently.

Well, the series has always had battle power in mind. What makes it boring is if he has to consistently showcase their numerical values, thus rendering all suspense dead. But yeah, battle powers are always being used in universe, they just don't have a numerical representation of them.

Power levels are not BS. The entire series is based on an opponent's power and speed. The only problem Freeza's scouters had is they were tricked by a fighter's ability to suppress. Some people take it too far that power levels have no meaning, inaccurate power levels have no meaning. But the whole ...

It's quite possible for Base Vegetto to be his anime strength even in the manga. Fusion is an exponential increase, so that wild increase has to start somewhere. Base Vegetto > Blue Goku/Vegeta and SSJG Goku > SSJ3 Vegetto Right there we prove that fusion is exponential. Base Vegetto was nothing to ...

SPC should be rivaling Gohan's SSJ2 power. He should be there behind him.

Yeah, EML's estimate for Nail's power-up sounds good. And if we combine this with the idea of Kami powering Piccolo up two fold, we have it locked down quite nicely. Piccolo 300,000 Freeza 530,000 Kamiccolo 600,000 Piccolo Fused W/ Nail 1,500,000 Is a good rough estimate how it should all work. I'd ...

The Super anime clearly outlines the following power chain. Kid Gohan > RoF Gohan > Piccolo RoF If Base RoF Gohan is already Piccolo superior and he's not even as strong as the child version of himself, what is all of this in depth debate about? We have definitive proof. Perhaps the weakest Base Adu...

You guys on the Freeza > Base Goku side...

You guys have Freeza > Base Gotenks?

Well we know Goku at BoG is even stronger than Gohan was at RoF, so we have a direct comparison here. Base Goku (BoG) > Base RoF Gohan > Piccolo We know Piccolo has surpassed Freeza long ago, yet he's still weaker than a severely weakened RoF Gohan. The anime furthers this thought by having Future T...

Why hold back for Mighty Mask but not for the other people she eliminated?

"She used to be stronger than our Dads!" Proceeds to fight evenly in Base forms. Android 18 calls Mighty Mask strong, called SSJ Vegeta a weakling. I don't know how it could get more clear my brothers. I'm not intentionally making this stuff up to inflame you guys, but how else am I suppos...

Yeah, as far as I know, Freeza > Base Saiyans had no real evidence other than fan theory. There were no real statements like how Base > Freeza had. The Beerus' line breathed new life into the debate.

Well people have been at odds on this issue for a long time. But the evidence has always been on the Base > Freeza side. Out the gate. The Base kids, who are weak, are on par with Android 18, even according to the Daizenshuu. Vegeta outright states he can win the tournament in Base while sitting no ...

While I would say, "Freeza > Base Saiyans" is certainly wishful thinking, the series didn't do itself any favors by presenting this implication by such a manner. It's understandable how it can be confusing to those who aren't completely aware of all of the other implications and facts. It'...