Kanzenshuu

Alright, imagine that Trunks' timeline goes perfectly then. Goku doesn't die as the heart virus never afflicts him. The Androids don't get the jump on the Z Senshi as Gero is somehow found out ahead of time, his main lab & underground lab both getting destroyed before the Androids or Cell can b...

I'll laugh so hard if Nakatsuru was brought back because he designed Super Saiyan 4 and Daima is going to use it. I doubt that will happen, but I'll take it! You know, I really hope this doesn't happen. I'm pretty sure if Toriyama ever attempted to "Toriyamafy" SSJ4, he would annihilate e...

Future Krillin vs Goku [Can only use default Kaioken; Ginyu arc]. Future Piccolo vs Goku [Can only use default Kaioken; Mecha arc]. Future Vegeta [Super Saiyan] vs Goku [Super Saiyan; Mecha arc]. No idea Goku was quite far ahead, no one surpases Freeza, I'm not sure Kuririn could have passed earlie...

....what would that mean exactly for the main timeline? Would it have been an inverse in which things totally go south for the Earth in the main timeline? Or would it have little-to-no bearing on it and there wouldn't be an erasure of one timeline or the other by either of the Zenos? It always seem...

They are equal to Freeza merged, not individually. But the text you just posted doesn't say that? It cites the merging technique as part of Abo’s strength, saying he overwhelms [Base] Gotenks, so this is when Abo showcases strength rivaling Freeza. And recently Abo and Kado were confirmed to be wea...

If they are equal to Freeza individually and an explicitly rusty base Goten and Trunks are equal to them, forcing them to fuse, that contradicts the BOG statement. They are equal to Freeza merged, not individually. In the manga version Gotenks never goes ss1 and Goku seems to go ss2, and only becau...

Why not? Because gotenks pre was that much stronger than goku (in the same form) and freeza in the boo arc that goku can't have surpassed gotenks without also surpassing freeza in bog. Chouzenshuu 4 implies the merged Abo/Cado is "equal to Freeza" and “their power surpassed Gotenks”, pres...

Yeah vegeta would suggest summoning his soul like he did for kuririn. I'm not sure why trunks would need to come from a timeline where goku was alive he's dead in the future either way. Piccolo would need a reason to remember the rosat. I don't see how Cell would stumble across the androids. You'd n...

Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:18 pm

TobyS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:47 pm Base Goku can't have closed the gap much if at all and still be weaker than Freeza in base.

Why not?

Because gotenks pre was that much stronger than goku (in the same form) and freeza in the boo arc that goku can't have surpassed gotenks without also surpassing freeza in bog.

If Gotenks were so strong, Vegeta wouldn't think Beerus one shotting Goku wouldn't be the end of the world. Beerus says SSJ(2?) Vegeta (Pre rage) is a good fighter but thinks nothing of SSJ Gotenks, so I think skill definitely covers this gap somehow. Ehh in the manga we see SS3 Gotenks fight him a...

Keep in mind he also knew he didn't have to keep drawing shallot on an ongoing basis so he could be more wild with no consequence to himself. Yeah, but that'd be the case with Daima, too, wouldn't it? Bang out a few character sheets, and let the animators do the rest. Yeah exactly I was just saying...

The perfect question for me, and perhaps me alone!!! :lol: The short answer is: "now" isn't even close. We have to start looking at just Saikyo Jump , because that's the single place where the most Dragon Ball content runs at any given time. The most Dragon Ball manga that have run simult...

I'm not sure Goku:Xeno is much stronger than Goku:GT, who himself as SS1 was already as strong as SS3 Goku Z (IIRC. Or was it in base?) I do agree Goku:Xeno starting from a much higher base would explain SS4 being on the same level as Blue ...except the Gokus were always portrayed as matching in po...

For whatever it might be worth, he gave Shallot a tail in his character design: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJGKlsCWYAEUKqU?format=png&name=small Being an ancient Saiyan, it makes sense that he'd have a tail. So I guess there's precedent for modern Toriyama sucking it up and drawing a tail on a...

I'd like the idea. Red ribbon again is a little tired but coming right off super hero makes more sense imo. A desperate Carmine goes to a random red ribbon/gero lab. Mothballed 21 in there, gero never released her because he never cured her disease that he androided her to avoid or the whole hunger ...

Base Goku (BoG) vs Base Gotenks (BoG) Gotenks slaughters him, fusion multiplier is greater than ss, either due to the “as strong as the fusees strongest form " fan theory or base gotenks, even accounting for his arrogance, assuming he can beat boo when goten and trunks couldn't. Ss1 gotenks pr...

I haven't played the game so I don't know any of its dialog, but based on what I'm seeing on Google, it seems like, yeah, we've got Super Saiyan Blue and Golden Freeza. More specifically, Goku is not wearing his "F" gi, and Freeza does not have a halo, so I guess I'd be inclined to have t...

There are a lot of stuff wrong, but I'm going to point out the most egregious one. The one that if you get wrong, you get everything else wrong: • Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman takes place ten years before the beginning of Dragon Ball. So if the beginning of Dragon Ball occurs in AGE 749, then Jaco,...

I know video games generally aren't canon but based on dialogue and transformations, when is jump force set relative to DB. Do we have golden freeza and blue? Does anyone mention the top? Was it released before granolah was written?

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking? The movie fits mostly okay with the main series, better than the previous four at any rate Goku not using his instantaneous movement technique is probably the most glaring problem but these characters seem to forget techniques all the time. I mean the daize...