Kanzenshuu

Lets just hear him out whether you agree or not (I know it will be hard for some). This thread will be closed if everything keeps up like this. I'm sorry if this counts as mini moding.

Who are you talking about ?

Can you have some respect for people who disagree with you ? You have to stop it right now, it's just impossible. You are not debating, you are insulting. So no, you don't make the thing forwarding. And nothing in your argumentation can break what I pointed above, except my personal feeling on Kid B...

You're assuming there's one concrete interpretation of that Daizenshuu entry, when as we've all shown, there isn't. There's nothing in the manga suggesting that Ssj Gotenks is below Ssj Goku, while there's a lot supporting that he's at the very least in the Ssj2 range. For you to believe that Ssj G...

I just want to(re)ask you a question guys... Do you really think that when Toriyama drew Buu Saga, he was thinking about stuff like multipliers of the SSJ forms ? No, i really doubt. And even when he validated the multipliers for the Super Exciting Guides, do you really think he made calculations fo...

Mdr, you didn't understand what i wrote I think, because all what you're saying in Buu's transformations is false !
Pure Evil Buu and kid Buu are not the same, please read again !

Fat Buu himself isn't... he has hidden power way beyond that of Kid Buu. It just only comes out when the negative side of him is dominant... that's why he gets anger boosts, and why Super Buu is stronger than Fat Buu at all. That hidden power being the power Super Buu uses Please, tell me where it ...

Good point Armuro ! I sustain it too, Goku never compared his true power (vs Kid Buu and not vs Fat Buu) to Gotenks one. He's very surprised, impressed, but never mentionned that they effectivly surpassed him. Goku was gambling on Gotenks, and didn't want to kill Buu himself. He wanted to gave the r...

You do know that Goku flat out stated Super Buu was way stronger than him, and he was stronger than Kid Buu, right? And that Piccolo sensed both Majin Vegeta and a suppressed SS3 Goku, and still thought that Gotenks would succeed where they failed (he also sensed Gotenks), even before he learned of...

My god... I give up ! First, I never said that : You can't say that Ssj3 Gotenks being stronger than Ssj2 Vegeta is the only context that can be taken from that statement I just said this option, because Hitiro mentioned all the possibilities except this ! All about your argumentation is SUBJECTIVE,...

Yes, the Daizenshuu states that it wasn't until Post-RoSaT that Gotenks surpassed Vegeta. But it never indicates in what context. For all we know it could have meant Base Gotenks surpassed SSJ Vegeta, or Base Gotenks surpassed SSJ2 Vegeta. Or SSJ Gotenks surpassed SSJ2 Vegeta. And it can be only Go...

And I think Kid Buu is superior to Super Buu, because he's the only one really stated to be more powerful than Fat Buu. This is incorrect, Evil Boo(Super Boo) was stated to be more powerful than Fat Boo in every way. Chapter: 487 (DBZ 293), P13.5 Context: as Piccolo plans on having Goten and Trunks...

It's never stated that Gotenks SSJ > Fat Buu, please. It's just your interpretation, and if you can't see that, i'm really sorry. The only facts that we are sure are : Kid Buu >(>) Fat Buu Super Buu >= Fat Buu Gohan >> Super Buu Gotenks SSJ3 >= Super Buu Gotenks SSJ1 << Super Buu Goku SSJ3 >= Kid Bu...

)1) You're ignoring established multipliers for the Super Saiya-jin forms. If Gotenks was 6,000 (for the sake of your list), then Ssj Gotenks would be 300,000, and following his training he'd be over 425,000. Likewise, if Vegeta were only 10,000, then Ssj3 Goku would only be 40,000. It's very inacc...

I think some people didn't pay attention to my previous post but...you should, because all the stuff with that multipliers are bullshit when you look at the manga. Toriyama didn't thought about it when he drew Dragon Ball, be serious please. He shows us a Super Buu not so far from Fat Buu. And Goten...

I totally disagree with all the facts that you use to put Gotenks (at his normal state :lol: ) stronger than Goku SSJ3. You know, all your argument is based on lines that says "Gotenks will be stronger, the man that can defeat Buu...", but all of this is BEFORE we know that Goku was liying...

It's true that Vegeta's comment referred to his size, like he's insulting the guy, but what about Goku's? He goes from saying Super Buu would kill them, to pointing out that Buu's getting stronger, to saying, "We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something" after Buu shrank dow...

Thanks for your replies :) How do you come to the conclusion that absorbing south Kaioshin decreased his power? It's heavily implied (actually stated) that the south Kaioshin absorption increased his power, as shown when he first transforms to buff Buu and everyone cries out that his ki is getting e...

I wanted to explain you my humble theory and debate to understand and know your point of vies on buu's transformations, but you give me the impression That you don't care. You speak as if your theory was official, but it isn't. Since Many years, this debate exist and never has a resolution. may be y...

Actually, you are basing on Goku's quote. But it creates a big mistake in Buu transformations : how can it would be possible that Super Buu > Kid Buu if when he lost the two Kaioshin his power increases and he transformes into Buff then Kid Buu ? That's why I think that South Kaioshin decrease Buu's...

Hi everybody, I would want to know your point of view on the different forms of Buu. I will explain the theory I chose, but there is another that a lot of people on this forum have, so I would like to understand it, because some point are not clear to me. I will resume the Buu’s forms by the order o...