Kanzenshuu

This might just complicate it more, but for the OPFZ x DBZBOG crossover ticket, Goku is drawn with an electric aura. His hair isn't like Gohan's SS2 hair, but it's not really like Goku's SS1 hair either . It should also be noted that Luffy is depicted to be in Gear Second mode, so maybe SS2 would m...

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Between episodes 53 & 54.

If this is true, Limits surpassed SSJ4 Goku, Ultra amplified brutes waves SSJ4 Vegeta, and SSJ4 Gogeta did not exist yet.

I shouldn't have to post a comic scan where it says such things -_-. Its blatantly obvious and you don't want to accept it. Superman has tanked full on Supernovas to the face. Can you prove he didn't? The size of the star also does not constitute how much energy a star has, the color does: So in ot...

Herms wrote: 說不定比超級賽亞人4還要強！
"Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!"

What book is that from?
Edit: Apparently it's the anime comics edition of the GT special.

When was that published in relation to GT's premiere?

-Superman gets much stronger with 15 minutes of exposure to the sun. It takes Goku months to attain any real improvement at this point. Proven. -Taken out of context how? Superman survived a Supernova and it wasn't small at all, you have no proof to back that up. Fact. -Superman held a small black ...

-I'm using actual feats: -Superman tanks a supernova. If Superman's power is directly proportional to what the Sun gives off within its lifespan, he couldn't have done that. -Superman holds a small black hole in his hands. -I find it funny how you can preach how I know nothing when you are the one ...

So not only are you still making some ridiculous outlandish statements that you don't even know where they originate from (hint: read the actual scans or issues for yourself instead of copying other people's arguments). You consequently pretty much buried your own argument by providing ample comic f...

Back on subject here though, Superman is still way too powerful for Goku. The thing is, Superman's power rises infinitely with a blue or yellow star at an incredible pace. Goku hits his limits constantly and his Ki only goes up so fast. Superman gets stronger with every second that goes by. Goku do...

Calculations matter. Your unwillingness to accept basic calculations is your problem. Here are the calcs: Sun dipped Superman moved approximately 4.3 Octillion tons/4,325,781,841,303,900,090,000,000,000 tons This happened post crisis and I don't know if anyone ever did the calculations. When Superm...

Calculations matter. Your unwillingness to accept basic calculations is your problem. Here are the calcs: Sun dipped Superman moved approximately 4.3 Octillion tons/4,325,781,841,303,900,090,000,000,000 tons This happened post crisis and I don't know if anyone ever did the calculations. When Superm...

http://superman.wikia.com/wiki/Superman_Prime Superman has gone as far as creating lifeforms from nothing. I'm pretty sure is much much stronger than he previously was. Superman also gets stronger the closer he is to the sun. 15 minutes inside the sun brought his strength from 200 quinitllion tons ...

I still find it a little funny how overrated Superman is by the average (uninformed) individual.

Anyway, Superman Prime literally has almost no feats. For all anyone knows he could be like +.00001% better than his pre sun dipped state.

Could Goku get strong? Easily.

Despite all the hype, Not a very good battle I must say. I don't see what was improved in that extra 20+ days they were given. -I was having a field day...literally laughing my ass while watching how they conjured their whole calculation section at the end. Using some alternate version superman feat...

Oh noooo, somebody doesn't approve of my made-up numbers! Whatever shall I doooo? :lolno: Yeah, I'm tired of debating and worrying about Gotenks with all his toonforce and non-feats and unfulfilled hype (especially with his worthless base form) . So I just put him where I feel most comfortable with...

Son Goku - 80,000,000 Super Saiyan - 4,000,000,000 Super Saiyan 2 - 8,000,000,000 Super Saiyan 3 - 32,000,000,000 Piccolo - 1,600,000,000 Gotenks (Post-RoSaT) - 150,000,000 Super Saiyan - 7,500,000,000 Sorry to be condescending, but one would think that after all these years of being in this site a...

Well, battle power is a numerical representation of how much ki a person has, yeah. But Ginyu was able to guess Goku's battle power really accurately just by exchanging blows with him, thus you should be able to assign a rather accurate battle power to a robot in much the same way. They have no ki,...

Possibly because the gap between him and Cell wasn't so big (at the time) that it would be worth any of the trade offs (whatever they are). The difference between Super Saiyan and Grade II must be much smaller than the difference between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3 (or even the difference betwe...

Yea I agree with that. It's not a new form, it's an old form perfected. Which is why I prefer the fan term of Mssj. But that's the problem. Who cares about a weaker, slower, and older form? Goku didn't get multiple near death powerups on Namek only to fight in his normal...stamina-friendly-state al...

This may not mean an increase in power per say, but rather it allows Goku to draw out the power, which is already available, of the Super Saiyan to its limit without any penalties. Thus allowing Goku to fight at his maximum without worry about maintaining the energy in a prolonged battle. Power doe...

Even though I've always agreed with the same viewpoints most of you hold about the FPSSJ = SSJ in power/multiplier... I'm going to play http://mind.org/mlc/image/devil.gif ... for no real good reason other than I'm a no good bastard. I could use a good amusement. So let the discussion commence. The ...