Kanzenshuu

Cooler says this to Goku before transforming in 5rd form : Hmm you do as well as i expected. Enough to have defeat my brother. Yust with this its Cooler 4rd form > Frieza 4rd (final form) so yea english dub makes Cooler weaker until he reaches his final form. He says that all throughout the movie. ...

In japanese version he says : One time more ! I'm able to transform myself one time more then my brother. He fights Goku in 4 form and then transforms in 5 or final form... Funimation dub makes Cooler 4rd form weaker than Frieza 4rd (final form) by those words but in japanese its still clearly Cool...

Base Janemba is stated to be the strongest Ki Goku has ever felt. Base Janemeba > Fat Boo Goten and Trunks were shown and stated(iirc) rusty. Their fusion here might not even be up to the series pre rosat level...which makes sense... Considering Aka was defeated by a measly SSJ Goku barely 2 years a...

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Maybe any unfused SSJ4. Super Yi Xing Long stomps him no matter what.

Is it wrong that I think Chi Chi looks ten times more attractive with bluish hair?

Broly is a notch better than SSJ2 teen Gohan who is low tier SSJ2.
SSJ2 Goku is high tier SSJ2.

I'd say Goku is a good deal stronger and would beat him with no difficulty at all(in order words, one clean cut blast).

Silkman3003 wrote:SSJ2 Kid Gohan vs Perfect Cell(Post Zenkai)

Gohan, with big difficulties.

My only disagreement is how some people seem to think that when Cell is referred to 7 years later it somehow can mean him before his pre near death powerup or just merely the level he was fighting Goku at. I don't see very much credibility to that. The statement is not as ambiguous as Goku saying Re...

You really think SSJ2 Teen Gohan is only equal to full power pre near death powerup Cell?
Sounds like a stretch.

Cell is Cell. 1 is 1. A fraction of Cell's battle power isn't Cell's battle power.

http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=03&id=character_d-f#dabra The man who boasts the greatest power in the Demon Realm, a place said to exist on the opposite side of the universe from where Goku and co. live. He had his heart manipulated by Babidi, and become his underling. On top of hav...

I saw an analysis on another forum that's worth a mention: The Daizenshuu also mentions Dabura is equal to Cell’s battle power. Goku mentions Dabura is a lot stronger, but that seems like in response to his magic so Dabura’s magic > Dabura = Cell = teen Gohan. Teen Gohan is also stated to be far wea...

I disagree, strategy (well it was Vegeta's strategy executed through Goku) is what allowed Goku to finish off Pure Boo. Unless you're arguing base/SSJ Goku > Pure Boo. So as I was saying... It required the Battle Power of the Genki Dama to finish Boo off. Without the Battle Power of the attack bein...

Perfect wrote:Tactics are really any form of strategy, regardless of what the strategy involves.

At the end of the day, skill, tactics, strategy, etc are all still useless if they aren't backed up with Battle Power.
That's the point I'm getting across.

Well my point was that tactics can surely help win a battle if one's outmatched. If your interpretation of tactics include powerful Ki techniques(would would than vary in power ) and using the power of other people or objects in a fight then you're just supporting what I said further. Skill, as in ...

A ring out. How about matches to the death or until one is defeated such as in this case? Goku didn't win , and needed help. If anything his tactic to just go a certain distance and not further after the Taiyoken blinded Vegeta, actually cost him the battle. Goku needed help(the frog)...and the powe...

Refresh my mind. Don't recall tactics or skill ever helping Goku win a fight in Dragonball Z(Majin Vegeta, Pure Boo, etc). The only instance I can remotely think of is the Warp Kamehameha against Cell. And even in the end, that was still based on the power of the attack more than anything...and Goku...

Paikuhan vs Legic How'd the fight go and who do you believe would win? Both of them being the same as when they first fought Goku. That's not even a battle. Base GT Son Goku ~ Redgic ~ Base Rildo > An unspecified Boo(at least Mr. Boo) > Paikuhan. Redgic destroys Paikuhan in one blast. I'm tempted t...

I don't see how it's inconsistent, nothing says Bubbles can't be resilient or have a battle power over 416... I mean it's 416. Yes, but that 416 has enough power to casually shatter the moon in a Ki blast. It's very hard to believe that monkey is over 5 times that power. You're literally saying as ...

Thanks for elaborating, Lash. Anyway, the "rage boost" kind of presents a variable... but in the past examples (Raditz, Nappa, Freeza) Gohan usually has the boost while he's angry, then it dwindles back down a bit. By the time Cell had returned, Gohan seemed somewhat calm and in control. ...