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Problem is that Minus' biggest faults (beyond being not much of a story) are completely separate from the special. Had the TV Special not existed, people would still definitely take issue with the problematic aspects of the short. Goku's parents being rendered unusual compared to the rest of their ...

And that’s my point here. Change is not bad. And whether Mistare/Gaffer admits it or not. His actions give him away that he is not looking at Minus from an unbiased lens to call it “bad”, the second he started comparing The Bardock Special to Minus and saying the Minus had to be as fleshed out and ...

He couldn’t even deal with the reality that he himself was flawed. It’s a pity. "Judge Claude Frollo longed to purge the world of vice and sin. And he saw corruption everywhere except within." This lyric from The Hunchback of Notre Dame also applies well to Zamasu. Yeah it’s a great quote...

3.) I acknowledged shadowfox because he is being objective. He points out how DB- changes these things like the whole “Gine and Bardock are ‘special’” thing and offers to people how that is “bad” for the story. It is a hatedom to me because they all have the same opinion and idea on what the narrat...

I know this thread "ended" last week, But I was just rewatching the Future Trunks arc, and eventually Future Zamasu said "All this destruction was unfortunate but necessary to achieve our virtuous plan, Project Zero Mortals!". So this proves that Zamasu's goal did not boil down ...

Oh you want to know what grinds my gears? People who instead of offering up any sort of discussion in the thread posted and instead try to skip around into other threads because they don’t want to confront the person discussing. When somebody says that a story gave you no expectations for it being g...

It’s still just there as a summary, summaries and a quick rush through the events isn’t necessarily good or bad writing as long as it keeps internal consistency. You want me to see Dragon Ball Minus as a "summary" and that it presents quick rush through the events, right? Yeah, as I alrea...

You offer your perspective and that’s good, but I’m here to inform on what storytelling is to people who are just blindly bandwagoning this hatedom and don’t have an opinion of their own. It is cool to hate on it, or people are too close-minded to give DB- the time of day. So let me get this straig...

1.) yes, but again that’s still subjective. Dude, look, I don't want to be mean here, but you're in way over your head. Everything is subjective when it comes to storytelling. You're defending a piece of art. You are being subjective. Your statement "Dragon Ball Minus is not bad" is a sub...

No I’m not saying that. There are plenty of things in all continuities in Dragonball I have a problem with, but a lot of people don’t seem to be really self aware in this fandom. That a lot of their criticisms come from a personal opinion on how they think X and X should have gone, and that’s all f...

The news leading up to Minus established that Gine was a peculiar case, with Toriyama describing Goku's mother as an atypical Saiyan. Just because there's the possibility other of outliers doesn't suddenly make her that much less unique if she's still made out to be unusual. The point is that she a...

In what way? Outside of his parents actually caring about their family (which is to say that doesn’t mean other saiyans couldn’t be good in their own ways) they are still just as murderous and as cruel as the other saiyans to where they send their sons. Off planet to kill entire races (and yes THEY...

And I clarified that it is not objectively bad. Art is meant to be interpreted of course. I just see it as a big problem with the fandom that harps and bashes on the story of any material in whatever form for the sake of doing it or not being informed on it. I’m seeing this from a fair and unbiased...

It’s meant to set up things later and be expanded on at a later date. I thought that could be the case when Dragon Ball Minus was released, but oh well... Four years has passed and nothing came out that complemented it. We had a new series in-between, but it preferred to retell unnecessary stories ...

You're just arguing round and round in circles, someone argues it's a bad story you argue it's exposition. The book itself calls it a special bonus story, what am I supposed to say. It wanted to be it's own take on Bardock's story and fucked the whole thing up by not taking the time to tell an actu...

If it isn't interested in telling a good story why does it present itself as a prequel to DragonBall? Honestly if the Bardock special didn't exist I still wouldn't give a shit, because then all I would get out of it is that Goku has parents and Freeza killed them for whatever reason. It's just a bi...

But it isn't a story, it doesn't tell you anything. It just relays information to you and you're supposed to give a shit because it goes with the assumption that you already know all of it anyway. I mean just for the sake of argument, if had read Jaco without any prior knowledge of DragonBall and t...

Again. Most of that is still subjective. Buddy, fiction is subjective. The very title of your thread is a subjective statement. You want an objective statement on "Dragon Ball Minus"? "Dragon Ball Minus" is a comic written by Akira Toriyama and published in 2014. It is sixteen p...

What even is your "storytelling perspective" because i'm getting really mixed messages as to what you actually think a story should and shouldn't be, and more to the point how can you be fair about what it is. It isn't anything, it's just a bunch of stuff that happens and then it ends as ...

I felt that it was because I had asked what was wrong with Minus for doing what it was doing with it’s intentions and people just keep repeating “it’s just so bad... because” without offering anything of substance to it. People can have their opinions of it for not liking the Minus manga’s directio...