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I don't mind Super's dub all that much, though I stopped following it after the Zamasu arc. Sometimes I'm just curious how they'll sord certain lines. And those "atrocious script changes"? Nothing compared to those from their first dub of Z.

Probably somewhat above SSj God Goku, but still way below his full SSjB power.

I am sorry but at this point you deny to even believe what's mentioned in manga, when 3 of 4 expressions in manga were gag expression. Are you for real now? Just read those panels to check for myself and I see nothing out of character for Goku. If anything, Goku's lighteartedness may be played up a...

I've always found arguments based on undermining the sincerity of Goku's statements a bit of a desperate attempt to find support for a pre-conceived claim, rather than looking at the matter objectively with no preference of outcome. If you do that, you can only arrive at the conclusion that Super Bu...

Assuming that the South Kaioshin powered up Kid Buu is only natural, because Buff Buu was demonstrated to be even stronger than Super Buu. Then again, Kid Buu was then powered down again so he can be within Goku's reach. This much has been established pretty well.

In addition to all that's already been said in this thread (which seals the deal as it is), there is a factual, but rarely explored angle of Super Buu being as strong as he was because he was a fusion entity, made up of two fused Buus. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40835&am...

this was explicitly stated Where? Sure, Goku might have got a base form upgrade after the ritual, but nothing SHOWN suggests he kept that power... not STABLY. We are shown situations both where he's extremely powerful in Base and others where he's normally powerful, same with Vegeta. Sometime Goku ...

The problem with saying that base Goku and Vegeta are >>> all of Z in base is that they're using regular SSj forms constnatly, while RoF established that the only multiplier they can put on that OP state makes their hair blue. Blue should be 50x Saiyan Beyond God if you like, not regular SSj. That w...

I know but its got great images. So does Pornhub but you don't see us using it for authoritative DB information & trivia do you? Maybe you aren't... but some of us are dedicated to accuracy and truth! Some of us are, the DB wiki is not. At least people have stopped spouting that nonsense about ...

As for SJWs - good discussion - I'm currently of the opinion that while they did pose a serious problem even a couple years ago, right now SJW allegations are being overblown by the conservatives, who keep overreacting. They are just failing to notice that SJWs like say, "The Triggering" '...

The problem with all those negationists wanting "concrete evidence" is that it's a physical impossibility to obtain anything more concrete than VICtim stories and testimonials at this point. What, would you like DNA samples or some shit from events that occurred years ago? Even if that wer...

I was always under the impression that SSj Blue is like a bit below 10x stronger than God at most. That's what the manga implies at least, and while that doesn't necessary hold ground for the anime or the movie, neither does 50x really (even less so, I'd say).

If the U6 saiyans dont get it, give Broly SSJ4 under a new name. Make the fur oozaru-brown instead of red. Broly already has the yellow eyes and spiked up, yet still black, hair. Thas sounds way weaker and less special than a regular SSj though. Prolly the reason why they didn't make the fur brown ...

The good thing about the Baby concept is that he's scalable - he can possess someone really powerful to create a relevant threat. I wouldn't go the Tsufurian way though, those guys looked like absolute chumps, so them creating something that crazy would be kinda tough to justify. As for the Shadow D...

SSBE is also pretty much equally worthless of a transformation as SSJ Grade 2. It's not only inspired by SSJ Grade 2, but also performs like it. Worthless compared to Goku's path to breaking his limits with UI. It's not even used in the movie, so clearly nobody cares about such a useless transforma...

the whole point of ssj4 was a saiyan returning to his roots therefore the black hair. the fur could be brown but whatever. Then it would look just like a condensed Ozaru, not like a legendary transformation stronger than three fucking steps of the legendary transformation below it. Also, how does g...

An official work will never hold less value than a fan-work. As enlightened as you may be, these are one of official sources for powerlevel discussions, and they can be discussed as much as any other work that has Dragon Ball in its name. Come on man, you can't honestly be defending some ridiculous...

Sure, it's official, but it means nothing. It's just a little sticker thing. It can be used to get an idea of things, but it it's pretty invalid in discussions like this. An official work will never hold less value than a fan-work. As enlightened as you may be, these are one of official sources for...

ssj3kakarot wrote: ....right, and Magically blue hair isn't a joke?

I don't think how that's even comparable.

I need to agree. SSj4 is flawed and it's not all roses. Not to mention it feels a bit odd and plain bad on fusions, where they both look like the solo characters.