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Freeza is an outlier, his advanced physiology likely prevented him from being reduced to dust, and to a non-canonical extent Cooler was able to survive being placed on the sun's surface for a time despite Broly getting utterly incinerated by it. Cooler was only on the sun's surface, while Broly cou...

I think SS3 is just a way of bringing more of one Saiyan's hidden power that doesn't show up in normal circunstances. So, if he doesn't have too much power to bring on, the added power won't be so significant as multiplying battle power by 2 or 4 on top of SS2. In Goku's case I could accept that (S...

This isn't the case, and is impossible. So you're saying (disregarding stuff like fusion, mystic, etc.) nobody's base can ever surpass any kind of SSJ levels? Because if so (and sorry if that's not what you meant and I misunderstood), then Base Future Gohan sparring with SSJ Future Trunks, and Goha...

Then again, knowing Toriyama, he could easily change that if he wanted to. Pretty much, the man has already retconned various moments in the story causing confusion among fans, when he forgets something or just wants new details then he will(and has) alter the story however he sees fit. He is more ...

Not just "any Saiyan" could become a SSJG, the rules of SSJG states that only pure hearted Saiyans can activate it as well as the fact that the power of the original SSJG may not be as strong as Goku. For all we know the power of the Saiyans who aid in its activation may further increase i...

I think it's clear that Goku was the one because Beerus and Whis do comment that Goku's potential is incredible and would some day become a match for Beerus if he kept at it, the fact that he was born as a paltry class warrior but became massively more powerful than 99.99% of other Saiyans shows the...

Well to be fair Goku is kind of the "Chosen One", he is destined to eventually fight Beerus one day so he gets ridiculous increases in power rather quickly in comparison to the majority of Saiyans. I think he could've become SSJ at any point it's just he didn't because Toriyama hadn't thou...

http://www.kanzentai.com/guide/bp/seg-ssj2.png. All you need to know. Ssj 50 x Multiplier Ssj2 2x Multiplier Ssj3 4x Multiplier I'm sorry, but this is hardly a constructive argument, simply putting the 'official' multipliers back out doesn't make them any more true. This discussion is more about ex...

Innocent or Good Boo only appears to do better than Vegeta Ssj2, because of his infinite stamina and regeneration. He suffered two fatality attacks and would of died had it not been for his regeneration, Vegeta survived his beating. This obviously implies that Boo only appears stronger than he is b...

What if Tamborine decided to stick around and kill Roshi, Bulma, & co causing Goku to get so enraged and become a Super Saiyan early? How would the story be impacted upon from there?

Freeza is single handedly the most prodigious fighter in the universe, he went from 1 to 120,000,000 with his only prior training being to suppress himself from this level and sometimes spar with his family. If he truly observed all Ki-related techniques among the minions and people he enslaved he c...

I think SS3 is just a way of bringing more of one Saiyan's hidden power that doesn't show up in normal circunstances. So, if he doesn't have too much power to bring on, the added power won't be so significant as multiplying battle power by 2 or 4 on top of SS2. In Goku's case I could accept that (S...

It's also possible that when Goku hit his head as a baby it did more than just change his attitude but also his cognitive skills, he may simply not be aware of danger to the world until it finally appears before him.

Kaio-Sama himself was unaware of the Androids and Cell until Goku told him probably because he is watching over a whole galaxy, I guess the same applies to Kaioshin who observes several times more activity than Kaio-Sama and is the most important and busy figure in the creation of life and planets. ...

I honestly do prefer the concept that Goku being surpassed because it makes sense that Goku as a fighter, could run into an obstacle he simply couldn't surpass by buckling down and doing hardcore training. Meanwhile Gotenks is a fighter with greater potential due to being a fused warrior and Gohan h...

2x gives no room for SS3 Goku to be stronger than Fat Boo, Innocent Boo to be less than half of Fat Boo, and Innocent Boo to be stronger than SS2 Goku/Vegeta. How was Innocent Boo stronger than the SSJ2 level? When he fought Kid Boo he got his rear handed to him every bit as much as Vegeta did if n...

Goku fights because he wants to, he'll find any and every excuse to train and do battle. Why? I guess his Saiyan nature, adventurous spirit, and possibly autistic mind enables him to pursue what makes him happy. Being a good guy just happens to send a lot of enemies his way, in a way Goku is a lot l...

I know that but it honestly makes sense for Golden Oozaru to be greater than SSJ3 no matter what, unless GT is oddly written to have Golden Oozaru be numerically weaker but push Goku farther than SSJ3 like it's the Incredible Hulk of Saiyan transformations.

Hello, new member here and former longtime guest of Kanzenshuu's forums...anyways. I am aware the guidebooks 'officially' list SSJ3 as being a 4x greater multiplier from SSJ2(which is x2 from SSJ1) and is supposedly the ultimate power of a Saiyan, not counting SSJG/SSJGSS. However I theorize that SS...