Kanzenshuu

I've said this before but both sides of the argument (SSJ Goku = post ritual red form or Base Goku = post ritual red form) make some very strong and valid points. I personally lean towards SSJ Goku = post ritual red, but with Base Goku being far far stronger than anything the Buu saga had to show; m...

He did fight on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku when they were both holding back but later in the Tournament, Android 17 performs a certain technique (I forgot what it was now) and Goku said to him that he knew he'd been holding something back, referring to their fight. Which makes it seem like And...

The Black Hole feat does little to explain anything since, as I mentioned, Android 17 does seem to have the tendency to hold back. Saiyans can showcase how much they are holding back by using weaker transformations. Android 17 does not have that luxury and is thus much harder to gauge in terms of ho...

I think Android 17 facing off against SSB Goku was for the best. The guy started off far stronger than some galactic tyrant who was feared throughout the universe; it's quite natural he'd reach SSB-tier with actual training. Plus, I feel Android 17 rivaling Super Saiyan Blue mirrors how he was much ...

Both sides of the argument have valid points and either of these speculations would work quite well in my opinion. Both of these notions sound a whole lot better than something as silly as Base Goku being Buu saga level or some other nonsense akin to that. Yeah it is pretty baffling to me that peop...

Both sides of the argument have valid points and either of these speculations would work quite well in my opinion. Both of these notions sound a whole lot better than something as silly as Base Goku being Buu saga level or some other nonsense akin to that.

The thing is, she fought Super Saiyan Vegeta for a few seconds. Unless Vegeta was massively holding back, she should in theory be beyond base form. But as is noted, Rib's power level is all over the place. I honestly don't have a problem placing her at SSJ Vegeta level. She was apparently a huge de...

Well I just mean since her strength fluctuates so much it is extremely difficult to get a gauge on where exactly she stands compared to anybody else. Ribrianne could be anywhere between 20-75% of Base Goku's full power in my opinion; possibly somewhere in the middle of that range seems plausible. R...

Not how debating works, at least here on the internet. People will debate against you regardless if youll change your mind or not. And debating its kind of the point of this thread. Did I say that's how debating works? I was simply letting people know that I've conveyed my thoughts and thus was not...

Tagoma said Gohan was the strongest looking enemy in the group, possibly deducted after hearing Freeza saying he was Goku’s son (the guy that defeated Freeza once). That doesn’t necessarily imply he is stronger than Piccolo in his normal form, since Tagoma has no way of measuring powers without a s...

I honestly have Android 17 and Golden Frieza on par with one another for a number of reasons. I also think that Android 17 is quite comparable to current SSB Goku / SSB Vegeta; a tier that is seemingly 10x stronger (at least) than the the Super Saiyan Blues that fought in the universe 6 tournament. ...

When Tagoma destroyed Shisami to attack Gohan, Sorbet got angry at him. Tagoma then indicated that it was for the purpose of taking out the Z-fighters' top fighter. Here's an even better question. If you find this topic / discussion redundant, why bother replying? Tagoma said Gohan was the stronges...

I get that both sides of the debate make some valid points, since Piccolo doesn't make it all that clear when he told Gohan to bring out the power that he used against Buu. I honestly think this is simply a reference to the form itself moreso than the actual power level Ultimate Gohan (Buu saga) ha...

There was no confusion whatsoever. In the Ressurrection F Arc the problem was mainly Gohan’s body, while in the Recruitment Arc the problem was his mind. It’s as simple as that. None ever stated Base Gohan is stronger than Piccolo, I don’t know where you got this from. Uhh why is this it's own thre...

Just to clarify any confusion, in the recruitment arc, they were initially working to make Gohan get back the heart of a warrior and lose arrogance. Most of their interaction was about not getting too focused on strength, but refine battle mindset. In that sparring session against Goku, Gohan still...

That also doesn't take into account the fact that Ribrianne's power fluctuates based on her emotions. They kind of hinted that was the case in the anime but they were pretty clear about it in the manga. How she feels about her "love" and where she stands with her teammates, whether or not...

Goku was holding back. That U2 Rildo look alike took Ribrianne's power and couldn't even land a hit to an exhausted base Goku. Well I was leaning towards the notion that he wasn't going all out against Ribrianne. That said, even if Goku was only using 25% of his base form's full power, Ribrianne wo...

I just don't think I am ready to make the leap to say current Android 18>Buu Arc SSJ3 Vegetto. I don't blame you for thinking it but I feel like it may be a bit much. Is she stronger than Buuhan? Yes. Most definitely. SSJ3 Vegetto? Maybe not. I am not entirely convinced that she is stronger than cu...

After Gohan regained his Ultimate form, some began arguing that SSJ Gohan (RoF) was indeed weaker than his Buu saga counterpart. I personally have always adhered to Ultimate Gohan being no more than twice as strong as SSJ Gohan (RoF). My speculation was that while Gohan had retained the majority of ...

By the ToP, both Buuhan and SSJ Vegetto are both likely in a very low-tier as far as strength goes. Techniques such as Candy Beam may assist Buu a tad, but that would likely be as far as it goes. Android 18 wrecked Giant Ribrianne, who had grown stronger since her fight with Base Goku; which by the...