kei17 wrote:It's also the reason why they had to dub DBZ themselves and replace the score with made-in-Canada music, right?
The Ocean dub of DBZ was made primarily for the UK and European market. Because of the events that unfolded, it is doubtful that AB Groupe considered Canada as a potential customer (Canada didnt get the Ocean dub until the middle of the Cell Games, way after Ocean started dubbing in the middle of the Trunks saga. UK and EU got the Ocean dub from the episode they started dubbing)
The most likely reason for Ocean replacing the original music was that the precedent had been set with the previous episodes. Perhaps using the original music for the Ocean episodes would've been "jarring" for the fans. I think cost played a factor as well.
Personally, I'm glad Ocean replaced the music. I enjoy the Westwood Ocean music too much to consider wanting the original music (which btw I can and do listen to anytime I like in the Japanese version)
The middle of the Cell games is an odd place to switch dubs, back then one of the main reasons floating round for this was that YTV got fed with what they (probably rightfully) perceived as "second class" treatment from Funimation compared to Cartoon Network USA and purchased rights to the Ocean dub while deciding to dump the Funimation dub.
Therefore, Canada's content law was not a factor in the production of the Ocean dub because the dub was made for the UK, but it did help that it was Canadian made and perhaps that was one of the factors in YTV's decision to broadcast the Ocean dub.
TheBlackPaladin wrote:The source would be Sean Schemmel. In fact, the very first rumor we ever heard of an Ocean dub of Kai was from Schemmel. He said that Ocean was producing their own dub, and that they would be replacing the music with "crappy Canadian music," and that they were adding sound effects where there previously were none. I believe he gave a specific example by saying that, in the first or second episode, there's a bit where Bulma turns her head, and they added a "whoosh" sound effect where there previously wasn't any.
Sean Schemmel didn't suddenly talk about the Ocean dub out nowhere. It was someone else (Subzero Ice I think?) that brought it up and Sean got into a discussion with him about it.
TheBlackPaladin wrote: I could understand that the music in the post-Saban Ocean dub (aka the Westwood dub) was replaced due to Canadian law (and I remember reading somewhere that the music was replaced at the request/demand of the Canadian TV network that aired DBZ),
Well considering that the Westwood dub was not initially made for Canadian networks....that would be a bit difficult.
People need to remember that the Westwood Ocean dub started production in episode 108 (Goku's Special Technique) and it started broadcast from that very episode onwards in the UK. Canada didnt get the Ocean dub until IIRC episode 168; a good 60 episodes after the dub started and was broadcast in UK and Europe.
TheBlackPaladin wrote:but if that's the case, how were they able to air the "Gundam WING" dub with the original score intact? Or the "Inu Yasha" dub? Or the "Death Note" dub?
Because that probably wasn't the case. But, if the Canadian content law had something to do with helping the Ocean dub then I'm glad it exists.
NitroEX wrote:I have my suspicions that Funimation secured the rights for countries like the UK yet still never release anything here. If that is the case it just seems like they're being spiteful to me.
Funimation didn't have the rights for the UK. A Funimation representative on the Toonzone forums confirmed that a few years ago.
However, I wouldn't rule out spite on Funimation's part. It's possible they helped prevent the Ocean dub's DVD release. I can remember a quote floating round in the early 2000s apparently from a Funi VA being being spiteful towards the Ocean dub, while Ocean remained professional and didn't even acknowledge the Funimation dub (and they shouldn't).
The main thing is, we're getting an Ocean dub of Kai and with Scott McNeil reprising his roles from the Saban and Westwood castings, things are looking really good (I mean, if they can get Scott McNeil back for Dr Briefs of all characters, they shouldn't have a problem getting Brian Drummond back for Vegeta, a role which is arguably even more important than Scott McNeil's Piccolo).